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  • no way! each person is always good at something, where other lacks

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  • well, it depends on some/many other factors... (pls explain below)

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  • yes, certainly there is a person with no talent at all!

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    Yes.

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    There are people who are VERY talented at having no talent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwigie View Post
    I don't think so. I know some people have no "practical" talents. If something is not exploitable it becomes useless and therefore "worthless" to others in most circumstances...
    Then people will say "that person has no talent".
    and what would you refer as "non-practical" talents?
    i think it's very subjective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niki View Post
    and what would you refer as "non-practical" talents?
    i think it's very subjective.
    Before you go in that discussion, you two should first normalize each others opinion on what talent really is. Otherwise it'll be a meaningless, and highly subjective, play of word tennis.
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    I don't believe so. Just about everyone has multiple talents. Finding someone with absolutely no talent at all? That would be hard.

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    talent is relative. So it all depends on your perspective.

    Makes me think of economics, where a country might have an absolute advantage (meaning its the best at something it does). But what they have is generally a relative advantage.

    Here's an example, a consultant has a personnal assistant. The consultant being very orderly and yadi yada could do the assistant's job better than the assistant, but by paying the assistant to do that job, it allows the consultant to create more wealth doing the consulting.
    Therefore, the assistant only brings a relative advantage, yet its still worth it.

    So if you take some uber gifted individuals as your norm for what talent is, then most people will just be dull and talentless. Or have talents that some more gifted people could best quite easily relatively speaking.
    But once again , we can't just, have only the 'best of the best' do the works requiring whatever u might call talent and put the others in the nearest lumber mine.

    There's also the law of numbers. Contrarely to what people believe, the time of the 'lone genius' is pretty much over. Nowadays, in most fields, you scores of teams working on the same projects all around the world. So its more about 'the statistical chance that team X will be better/find some better idea' than pure talent.
    The system is just not closed enough anymore.

    The whole talent thing would only really make sense with very limited populations (like a village with a better lumberjack, say amarg).

    There's also the behavioral approach, positive reinforcement: We learn by repeating, but the ressource we call time, and also our physical limitation [which are really the same thing](we're not travelling at C) will limit our possibilities. And as I said about relative and absolute economical advantages, it's just not worth it to ask for a guy who could make more money consulting in new york to go to hong kong instead and be paid the same amount, or for the boss to do a secretary's work when he could be signing some fancy contract.

    Talent is just a non issue, a mere statistical glitch in the grand scale of things. Its all investment vs result in RELATIVE terms considering physical limitations and the fact that we're in a mass economy, which simply wouldn't work if we only used something we define as best in an aristocratical way. It'd also impair innovation because of a lesser open endedness and smaller scales, which is after all what 'talent' is supposed to bring to the world. Killing its own purpose.
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    I'm not going to read into the word "talented", rather, I will take it at face value to mean a "special ability". In that sense, I think many people are not talented. The average person isn't particularly talented, but just possesses average skills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    I'm not going to read into the word "talented", rather, I will take it at face value to mean a "special ability". In that sense, I think many people are not talented. The average person isn't particularly talented, but just possesses average skills.
    Best answer to the OP so far in this thread. In my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    Best answer to the OP so far in this thread. In my opinion.
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    Depends on the definition of the word talented. If we go by natural predisposition towards a specific task (hence removing the term "special ability" compared to the general population), then I'll say every person have inane talent. However, something is call "talent" only if you can identify it. For an individual who has given up in life/severe mental disability, unaccessable talent will never be discovered and thus they have no identifiable talent at all.
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