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    Art changes the world every bit as much as the world changes art.

    That's why organizations like the NEA exist in every developed nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juggernaut View Post
    Art changes the world every bit as much as the world changes art.
    examples? of art changing the world.
    by the way, i am not knocking art. i am an artist, among other things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingfisher View Post
    examples? of art changing the world.
    by the way, i am not knocking art. i am an artist, among other things.
    How about the way it forces us all to reconsider conventions? Are you familiar with Mapplethorpe? Serrano? They've certainly had an impact on our views about the first amendment.

    There are plenty of other examples that are less obviously controversial. I'll be happy to discuss those if you like.

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    I will solve this by first proving a related lemma.

    Lemma: "The pen is mightier than the sword."
    Proof: If someone were to take a sword and stab Obama right now, the effect on the world would be less than if a written military order came ordering to fire all nukes at China. Therefore, the power lies with the pen.

    Theorem:
    Given:
    (i) the two statements presented in the OP
    (ii) louder = mightier = worth
    then a picture is worth more than actions.

    Proof:
    By the above lemma, the pen is mightier than the sword. By deduction, we can safely assume that the pen leads to words and that the sword is derived from actions. This would produce the following statement: Words are mightier than actions. However, in the initial given statement, actions are louder than words, which is a contradiction. Therefore, by contradiction, a picture must be worth more than actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juggernaut View Post
    How about the way it forces us all to reconsider conventions? Are you familiar with Mapplethorpe? Serrano? They've certainly had an impact on our views about the first amendment.
    i will concede the point, partially.
    i still contend that the images created by people like mapplethorpe reinforce ideas that are already held by people, rather than changing them. i will admit that powerful or controversial images can motivate change, however i still think it is action that changes things. images like mapplethorpe's can motivate us to discuss the first amendment, or motivate us to act on our beliefs. but it is the action we decide to take, not the image, that effects change.
    ultimately, the drafting of the first amendment was an action.

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    To further confound this, please provide a picture that is equivalent to the action listed below:

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    ACTION:
    (1) Give your SO a flower, tell your that you love her, smile and give her a kiss.

    PICTURE <equivalent to ^ >:
    (2) ???

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    Just for the record, my default inclination is to live by my actions.

    When I work, I often represent abstract concepts with pictures/diagrams that I draw out on a whiteboard (with about 5 different colors of markers).

    I see much power in both, but somehow actions rule my world. To think something is not being commited to it; to act upon the thought commits you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    To further confound this, please provide a picture that is equivalent to the action listed below:

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    ACTION:
    (1) Give your SO a flower, tell your that you love her, smile and give her a kiss.

    PICTURE <equivalent to ^ >:
    (2) ???

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    Just for the record, my default inclination is to live by my actions.

    When I work, I often represent abstract concepts with pictures/diagrams that I draw out on a whiteboard (with about 5 different colors of markers).

    I see much power in both, but somehow actions rule my world. To think something is not being commited to it; to act upon the thought commits you.
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    Actions can have longer-lasting repercussions for several different individuals; however, a picture usually has stronger, more intensive, short-term impact. So the answer is: It depends on your goal and the situation.

    Of course, there are exceptions. Some actions are easily forgotten, and some pictures stay in your mind forever...
    If you are interested in language, words, linguistics, or foreign languages, check out my blog and read, post, and/or share.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    Like this?

    Yup, just like that. Perfect!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    Actions can have longer-lasting repercussions for several different individuals; however, a picture usually has stronger, more intensive, short-term impact. So the answer is: It depends on your goal and the situation.

    Of course, there are exceptions. Some actions are easily forgotten, and some pictures stay in your mind forever...
    Double BINGO! Very nice!

    If you are going away for a trip, you could execute an action of giving your SO a nice picture of the two of you together in a nice frame, but once you leave the picture will speak for you each time she looks at it. Maybe the two are different sides of the same coin...

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