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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    Humans aren't highly specialised. They're like rats. Highly adaptive.
    That's why they are successful. That, and the neocortex.
    Opposable thumbs... ya know.

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    Pandas vs crocs was just an example. The question is much bigger than that.
    so what is the question, so far it's been lots of gibberish.
    Expression of the post modern paradox : "For the love of god, religions are so full of shit"

    Theory is always superseded by Fact...
    ... In theory.

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    Yea, the years can be wrong.
    Poor pandas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    Evolution doesn't have much to do with luck.
    Luck is only a concept applicable to individuals or slow groups, not species through ages.
    Statistics might be what u're looking for.
    From biological perspective that is true but from geological perspective that is not completely true.

    For example luck is to have traits that alow you to survive a major asteroids impact.


    During the earths history the entire ecosystems were viped out becuse continents are/were moving. For exaple if coral reef is moved into a polar region its existance/future is sealed. Or if the continents "slam" into each other they will destroy coral reef that was along the coast of one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    From biological perspective that is true but from geological perspective that is not completely true.

    For example luck is to have traits that alow you to survive a major asteroids impact.


    During the earths history the entire ecosystems were viped out becuse continents are/were moving. For exaple if coral reef is moved into a polar region its existance/future is sealed. Or if the continents "slam" into each other they will destroy coral reef that was along the coast of one of them.
    agrees, two 'unconnected' causal chains colliding is, a definition of luck and applies here if you see the biosphere as a pretty much closed system (except sun light).
    What I meant was that there is no luck in the mechanisms of evolution as a system, luck only intervenes from external factors.
    Like the good old dino mass death that helped us hairy mammals in that whole 'rise and shine' multi million year process.
    Expression of the post modern paradox : "For the love of god, religions are so full of shit"

    Theory is always superseded by Fact...
    ... In theory.

    “I’d hate to die twice. It’s so boring.”
    Richard Feynman's last recorded words

    "Great is the human who has not lost his childlike heart."
    Mencius (Meng-Tse), 4th century BCE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Udog View Post
    Interesting. Compare a cockroach, which has evolved little in millions of years, to a human. Consider what humans have done to the planet. While I think it's greatly egotistical to think we can destroy the planet, I do wonder if mother nature is going to look back in 10,000,000 years and go, "Wow. Humans. What was I thinking?"
    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    You mean like 5 billions years after the earth is ungufled in the sun or in best case scenarios change orbit (massive solar wide 'll shed lots of mass resulting in, ofc, lower gravity)
    Yes, 10 million years from now that is also 5 billion years after the sun eats the earth.

    Although, in 10 billion years will God go ", Earth and the Sun. What was I thinking?"

    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    Humans aren't highly specialised. They're like rats. Highly adaptive.
    That's why they are successful. That, and the neocortex.
    Okay, I see what you mean by Panda and specialization now. I doubt all the pandas that lived a productive life would consider it a mistake, so the scope of the question is important.

    You're making me get all existential. Heh. I can't help but to wonder if someone like me, who may be lucky to live 100 years, can judge the correctness of millions of years.

    Also, would it be like a cockroach thinking I'm wrong for wanting to cook my meat before eating it? Because if it is, I hate that freakin cockroach, all with his beady judgmental eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    From biological perspective that is true but from geological perspective that is not completely true.

    For example luck is to have traits that alow you to survive a major asteroids impact.

    During the earths history the entire ecosystems were viped out becuse continents are/were moving. For exaple if coral reef is moved into a polar region its existance/future is sealed. Or if the continents "slam" into each other they will destroy coral reef that was along the coast of one of them.
    Antisocial one has a point.

    That's not a sentence I ever saw myself writing.

    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    so what is the question, so far it's been lots of gibberish.
    That's only 'cos you've had the most to say.

    I thought it was about the bread of paradox?

    Timeless truths. Are there any?
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    Gosh, the world looks so small from up here on my high horse of menstruation.

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    Why do NT's seem to need to compete and order things? I guess it's a case of 'reason' being at the service of something less rational...maybe even (gulp) feeling. This will be denied, without question.
    (commence self-serving flame war)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post


    Timeless truths. Are there any?
    Well... anything that's out of space time, the original void (or whatever) from where the first or our universe popped out from.

    Anything else is relative to how we define things and matter and positions in space, so that even 1 and 1 only work in their own system, which system isn't the universe but our representation of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    Why do NT's seem to need to compete and order things? I guess it's a case of 'reason' being at the service of something less rational...maybe even (gulp) feeling. This will be denied, without question.
    (commence self-serving flame war)
    Nah it's just that logics are not as qualitatively relative as feelings.
    L
    ogic toys with systems and items, and an NT have a drive to correct or add elements to make the system fit their own point of focus, specialities, tastes.

    It's like a program designed to do something,
    it can do it well or not or not at all, it can be simple or complex. But the language to make that program is always the same. If you don't follow the correct code, your logics are wrong.
    If you miss too many elements, your model of reality is not accurate enough and ur logics won't fit into our universe.
    Expression of the post modern paradox : "For the love of god, religions are so full of shit"

    Theory is always superseded by Fact...
    ... In theory.

    “I’d hate to die twice. It’s so boring.”
    Richard Feynman's last recorded words

    "Great is the human who has not lost his childlike heart."
    Mencius (Meng-Tse), 4th century BCE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Udog View Post
    Although, in 10 billion years will God go ", Earth and the Sun. What was I thinking?"
    Or will the cockroaches sit around and go ", God! What were we thinking?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    Why do NT's seem to need to compete and order things? I guess it's a case of 'reason' being at the service of something less rational...maybe even (gulp) feeling. This will be denied, without question.
    (commence self-serving flame war)
    Is that what we are doing? I thought we were obsessing about unimportant crap. You know, our number one preoccupation.
    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    Well... anything that's out of space time, the original void (or whatever) from where the first or our universe popped out from.

    Anything else is relative to how we define things and matter and positions in space, so that even 1 and 1 only work in their own system, which system isn't the universe but our representation of it.
    Over what period of time can something be said to be true then?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
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