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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    They've become highly specialised, and habitat pressure has made them marginalised. In that sense, millions of years can be wrong.
    Interesting. Compare a cockroach, which has evolved little in millions of years, to a human. Consider what humans have done to the planet. While I think it's greatly egotistical to think we can destroy the planet, I do wonder if mother nature is going to look back in 10,000,000 years and go, "Wow. Humans. What was I thinking?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    You don't accept that the mammalian brain is more advanced than the reptilian one?
    Probably not in your case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsWhatHeSaid View Post
    Probably not in your case.
    Damn! I KNEW you would say that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Yeah, fuck crocs.
    You should really stop doing that. It's having a strange effect on your head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    Damn! I KNEW you would say that.
    In space, astronauts cannot cry properly because there is no gravity so tears can't flow down their faces.

    Did you know I was going to say that, too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsWhatHeSaid View Post
    In space, astronauts cannot cry properly because there is no gravity so tears can't flow down their faces.

    Did you know I was going to say that, too?
    Occasionally, you do display traces of originality. I grant you.
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    I think that the main problem with this is that it is not about how much you are "advanced".
    It is about "Are your traits good for keeping you out of the harms way?" Plus there is a factor of luck in this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Udog View Post
    consider what humans have done to the planet. While I think it's greatly egotistical to think we can destroy the planet, I do wonder if mother nature is going to look back in 10,000,000 years and go, "Wow. Humans. What was I thinking?"
    You mean like 5 billions years after the earth is ungufled in the sun or in best case scenarios change orbit (massive solar wide wind 'll shed lots of mass resulting in, ofc, lower gravity)
    Expression of the post modern paradox : "For the love of god, religions are so full of shit"

    Theory is always superseded by Fact...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    I think that the main problem with this is that it is not about how much you are "advanced".
    It is about "Are your traits good for keeping you out of the harms way?" Plus there is a factor of luck in this.
    Evolution doesn't have much to do with luck.
    Luck is only a concept applicable to individuals or slow small groups, not species through ages.
    Statistics might be what u're looking for.
    Expression of the post modern paradox : "For the love of god, religions are so full of shit"

    Theory is always superseded by Fact...
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    “I’d hate to die twice. It’s so boring.”
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    "Great is the human who has not lost his childlike heart."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Udog View Post
    Interesting. Compare a cockroach, which has evolved little in millions of years, to a human. Consider what humans have done to the planet. While I think it's greatly egotistical to think we can destroy the planet, I do wonder if mother nature is going to look back in 10,000,000 years and go, "Wow. Humans. What was I thinking?"
    Humans aren't highly specialised. They're like rats. Highly adaptive.
    That's why they are successful. That, and the neocortex.
    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    Sure, as a feedback loop system between the environnement and the individual animal the human brain has more plasticity, ability to learn, retain information, metacognition and so on.

    But I don't see how it makes on thing righter than the other.

    the developement of a crocodile's brain is evolutionary limited by the way the jaw is strongly attached to the rest of the cranium, u'd need a huge evolutionary leap to get 'big brained lizards'. So when it comes to the brain developement, our friendly lizards might have hit a comparative dead end.

    And about cold blood vs warm blooded, both have advantages:

    cold blooded animals have slower metabolisms, are sensible to changes in their environnement but so are most creatures. And the hot seasons usually see a rise in the populations a crocos or whatever might hunt, and hot seasons will allow the croc to have an accelerated metabolism, this is quite a nice fit.
    Cold blooded creatures are usually pretty well adapted to their environement and won't be able to do migrations such as the one humanity made from africa to the ever colder europe.
    About that last point, while this transition to harder climats can be seen as good for the quick evolution of comparative advantages that lead to the modern man, this process was only made possible by a drastic lowering of life expectancy compared to a more stabler environnement.

    We warm blooded humans have to eat way more, and, for a warm blooded creature, who already has a basic cranium structure allowing more flexibility in the size of the brain, a 'smarter brain' could lead to better strategies to attain the needed high calory diet.
    Additionaly our caloric needs don't change through the year, and we need to stock energy as fat during the cold or less life welcoming seasons or suffer starvation and maybe die.
    What's that got to do with the price of fish though?

    Pandas vs crocs was just an example. The question is much bigger than that.
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