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    I'd think that the most common type to be extroverted-loner would be ENFP. The balance of Ne (out of this world-thought process that doesn't really let you configure to society), and the Fi dynamic that kind of turns you against conformity and social ideals.

    I am a total loner. I spend a lot of time alone and I don't think I have but a few close friends. I don't like it..to be honest..I'm just..different..? When I find people who get me, I make strong and deep bonds.

    Perhaps being an extroverted loner has something to do with Enneagram. I am a strong 4, and I've known that to be kind of at the root of this dilemma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    By "this" are you referring to socializing?
    no i was referring to I and E.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Kar View Post
    I always thought that loners are always introverted. That's why I thought that I was introverted for a long time, until I toke the MBTItest that said that I was extraverted. I started typing a lot op people lately, and then I realized that my dad is an ENTJ. And he's a loner. Why? Because he thinks that most people are lame anyway and that's why hanging around with them isn't worth it. My dad never felt like his lonerness was bad for him and he never had the urge to search new friends. I don't have any problem with being a loner either, I was kinda raised to be one. Somehow I feel like it makes me more free to do what I want. And yes, it's absolutely sure that we're both extraverted and we don't have any social phobia or autism or anything. Now I'm just curious how rare extraverted loners really are. Is it really something for introverted people only?
    somones probably already said these points but here i go anyway,
    loners by choice:
    i would think that most natural loners are INT or ITP. or rather, i believe that INT's/ITPs are the natural loners. ITPs predominatley, (INTP > loner than ISTP but not by much). ENTs and INFs would be secondary in the loner population. Intuitives are more internal and cerebral than sensors. ENs are the less social extraverts, more so if they're thinkers. Ne and Ni is hard to communicate.
    but even with ENTPs and their stand-offish nature (in comparison to other types) they still tend to follow people around, get off-put when someone leaves them abruptly, etc. as extraverts they draw happiness and sanity from inhaling external information. so i would assume that they are not 'natural' loners although they are bigger loners than many other types, namely SFs. i think the N is less social than their S counterpart.additonally, ENs, especially, ENTs are not going to relate to most people, they can't and they're not into that anyway. i suppose the extraverted loner feels more loneliness than the introverted loner.
    i think Introverted loners are the most natural loner. The extraverted loners learn to grow into the behaviour because they freguently don't feel like they fit in anyway.
    NTs often offend people unintentionally so they may find themselves faced with drama which is something they have a great distaste for (and what majority of socialising isn't drama!!??). they also have a smaller than usual need for relationships. being T's and all they prefer objects to relationships, objectivity to subjectivity.
    i find ISFs tend to overtake ENTs when it comes to value on relationships, making the ENT look like the lesser social butterfly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Kar View Post
    I always thought that loners are always introverted. That's why I thought that I was introverted for a long time, until I toke the MBTItest that said that I was extraverted. I started typing a lot op people lately, and then I realized that my dad is an ENTJ. And he's a loner. Why? Because he thinks that most people are lame anyway and that's why hanging around with them isn't worth it. My dad never felt like his lonerness was bad for him and he never had the urge to search new friends. I don't have any problem with being a loner either, I was kinda raised to be one. Somehow I feel like it makes me more free to do what I want. And yes, it's absolutely sure that we're both extraverted and we don't have any social phobia or autism or anything. Now I'm just curious how rare extraverted loners really are. Is it really something for introverted people only?

    I've taken mbti's quite a bit and I always fall slightly on the side of Infp, but I don't really feel like an introvert. I definately don't have social phobia, I enjoy being in public, going to dives to watch bands play, watching movies, etc. But I like to be alone at least half of the time.

    I'm a loner for the most part because I don't want to waste my time and energy on friends and acquaintances who I have no authentic interest in. I'd rather collect a few life friends than dozens of temporary friends.

    Being a loner isn't a bad thing at all, I don't succumb to any social pressures to act or do things the way groupers do. Individualism in action. good times.
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    What do you think about ENTJ loners, is this even possible? Did you encounter any? How do you distinguish INTJs from ENTJ loners?

    If an NTJ dislikes his/her milieu and the people he/she encounters regularly, and he/she doesn't settle for idiots or social outcasts, how do you determine I/E? Cognitive functions only?

    I mean, if you spend time with people you dislike, it's the same "energy drain" - thing that introverts experience, right?

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    The difference isn't a matter of whether one does or does not socialize, to my understanding, but a matter of how one processes it. An Introvert may still socialize, I've seen it often, but they don't seem as actively involved (this is without alcohol). I think Introverts are digesting, reflecting, and internalizing the situation more than the Extraverts are. A crowd of people is some complex crap to process. Take your time.

    The Extravert, primarily using an Extraverted process, is more immedietely involved in and responsive to all the crap going on around it (even with Ne), and in the case of socializing, that crap just happens to mostly be people. However, Extraverts might find socialzing boring, or more trouble than it's worth. It may just not be a personal interest. That's no big deal, there's plenty of stuff out there aside from people that can be experienced through Se and Ne, or attended to by Te or Fe. The last one is the only one I have doubts about. No process is more oriented toward other people than Fe. I would suspect that EFJs are the most frustrated by exile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I would suspect that EFJs are the most frustrated by exile.
    Occasionally yes, most of the time no.

    EDIT - i am not sure if i am contradicting myself here as i am starting an evening course tomorrow and the following week i am starting a course (15hr a wk) and i am looking at doing 2 other evening courses whilst looking for full time work. Hmmmm .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvyak View Post
    I mean, if you spend time with people you dislike, it's the same "energy drain" - thing that introverts experience, right?
    I certainly feel drained with people I dislike or don't feel like there is a connection with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    That's no big deal, there's plenty of stuff out there aside from people that can be experienced through Se and Ne
    Yes. Videogames, books, movies, art....it all quenches my Ne quite well, I find.

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    I was a loner throughout most of high school. I'd make up excuses to ditch hanging out with the few friends I had. It wasn't so much that I didn't want to see them, but that what they had to offer me on a regular basis generally wasn't as entertaining as things I could by myself in privacy. I still made sure to see them at least once a week.

    I did spend a HUGE amount of my time talking to internet people online over Ventrilo though, so you could say that was a form of socializing.

    That's all completely changed now though.
    The probability that I was procrastinating when I was typing this post:

    P(have big assignment due) = 0.6
    P(posting on TypoC) = 0.2
    P(having big assignment due | posting on TypoC) = 0.7

    P(posting on TypoC | having big assignment due) = .......


    Eh, I'll finish it later.

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