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    Default Race differences in average IQ are largely genetic

    So I've been doing some research on this controversial subject and I've come across some interesting information, I believe some of you guys maybe interested in.

    According to research by J. P. Rushton - In a book titled: "Race, Evolution, and Behavior" he catogrized three biological races (or subspecies) of man - Orientals (i.e., Mongoloids or Asians), Blacks (i.e., Negroids or Africans), and Whites (i.e., Caucasoids or Europeans).

    He stated:
    There are recognizable profiles for the three major racial groups on brain size, intelligence, personality and temperament, sexual behavior, and rates of fertility, maturation and longevity. On average, Orientals and their descendants around the world fall at one end of the continuum, Blacks and their descendants around the world fall at the other end of the continuum, Europeans regularly fall in between. This worldwide pattern implies evolutionary and genetic, rather than purely social, political, economic, or cultural causes.
    So Asians are smarter then Africans the Africans are at the lower end and the White (Europeans) are in between the both.

    Actually guys I don't have time... Am attending a wedding soon...

    Anyway you can read it here:
    http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org...n_Behavior.pdf

    You need PDF viewer.

    Furthermore, here is a good article you can read which just summaries it:
    Race differences in average IQ are largely genetic (Sahara my not like this)

    Although, I do suggest you read the book.

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    You're describing something similar to the well-known "Bell Curve" theory. However, while this may indicate general trends, there are documented cases of geniuses in all races. Whether or not one race is generally more intelligent than another should not affect our treatment of individuals for this reason, especially since we cannot know how accurate our research was, and how much of this was coincidence. That is my opinion, anyway.

    I must commend your research skills, however, even if I don't necessarily agree with what you use them for. I think you could be an excellent scientist someday, if you manage to get out of your current situation and thought processes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sona View Post
    (Sahara my not like this)

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    Why would I be bothered? I am half white, the study doesn;t talk about what happens when races mix not that it even makes any difference to me come to think of it.
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    Rushton contends that through the course of world history, there has been an anatomical correlation between brain weight and penis size, that is, the larger the brain, the smaller the penis. "It's a trade off, more brains or more penis. You can't have everything," he told Rolling Stone in 1994.
    Lol guess that explains everything.

    EDIT: having read the wiki (which is not a trustworthy source accordig to YOU) I find I must take it all with a pinch of salt, especially his support for using his "findings" to take away the rights of blacks, and slow immigration based on it, and also the criticism of his methodology makes the whole thing quite suspect.

    There have been criticisms of Rushton's work in the scholarly literature, most of which Rushton has replied to, often in the same journals. For example, Zack Cernovsky, in the Journal of Black Studies, has made several criticisms, such as "some of Rushton's references to scientific literature with respects to racial differences in sexual characteristics turned out to be references to a nonscientific semipornographic book and to an article in the Penthouse Forum."[17]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sahara View Post
    Why would I be bothered? I am half white, the study doesn;t talk about what happens when races mix.

    Of course it does, you still have a slightly lower IQ:

    Mixed-Race (Black-White) infants grow up to have IQs between the IQs of pure Black and pure White children
    - J. P. Rushton - Race, Evolution, and Behavior (Chapter 3 Page No. 45)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sahara View Post
    Lol guess that explains everything.

    EDIT: having read the wiki (which is not a trustworthy source accordig to YOU) I find I must take it all with a pinch of salt, especially his support for using his "findings" to take away the rights of blacks, and slow immigration based on it, and also the criticism of his methodology makes the whole thing quite suspect.

    You will always find critics for anything. Its about using your own brain rather then dismissing something without even looking into it. From reading the book to me it seems pretty accurate, and well sourced. Furthermore, wiki is not a peer-reviewed source. The book on the other hand is.

    You seem lightly mad with me, I'm just the messenger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sona View Post

    You seem lightly mad with me, I'm just the messenger.
    Not at all, that would imply that your trollish antics are somehow worthy of affecting me in some way, which sad to say Sona, they are not.

    You merely posted this to try and get a rise out of me which is why you mentioned me by name, it didn't work though.

    In THEORY your IQ is higher than mine, in PRACTISE, it is not and you are just a moron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by athenian200 View Post
    You're describing something similar to the well-known "Bell Curve" theory. However, while this may indicate general trends, there are documented cases of geniuses in all races. Whether or not one race is generally more intelligent than another should not affect our treatment of individuals for this reason, especially since we cannot know how accurate our research was, and how much of this was coincidence. That is my opinion, anyway.

    I must commend your research skills, however, even if I don't necessarily agree with what you use them for. I think you could be an excellent scientist someday, if you manage to get out of your current situation and thought processes.
    I hear what you're saying. In fact the book is pretty critical off all races. It says black are more likely to do well in sports and Asians are supposed to suck at support. Well that explains why I always used to finish last when we had to do running in P.E lessons. Its not like an attack on black people.

    Stating facts, and saying things based on evidence, doesn't make you a racist it makes you intelligent. If you don't like what it says debunk the person don't just label them as racist or wanting to push an agenda unless you have the evidence to make those statements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sahara View Post
    Not at all, that would imply that your trollish antics are somehow worthy of affecting me in some way, which sad to say Sona, they are not.

    You merely posted this to try and get a rise out of me which is why you mentioned me by name, it didn't work though.

    In THEORY your IQ is higher than mine, in PRACTISE, it is not and you are just a moron.
    The point I said that was, because some how before I posted this you was pretty proud of your Moroccan roots. And no all of a sudden you don't care.

    How about we prove this? I've taken an IQ test before and I even posted the results on this website... How about you take the same IQ test and we just prove it conclusive?

    Here is the LINK to the thread, I did take IQ test before this topic see the dates:

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/36812-post17.html



    Link to the IQ test:
    The Classic IQ Test - Tickle Personality Tests

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    Though I don't know many things about psychology or how do they perform this kind of research, I would like to note that when you talk about genetic differences in a characteristic, you imply that there has been identified a gene which regulates said characteristic. Which is not yet the case.
    However, there have been some genes that supposedly affect various aspects of one's intelligence in certain conditions. Like spacial memory and I don't remember what else. They seem to be mostly correlated with the 2 sexes; males have more possibilities to express this gene, affecting negatively some aspects of their IQ. But the studies are not very convincing yet.

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