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    I believe achievement is niceness. To obtain a higher level of achievement requires more initial efficiency to acquire the position. The ends justify the means.

    A parallel example is financial investing, which is a risk. You spend all your $1000 in hope that you make $3000.

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    I definitely think you can be nice and get things done. You just have to identify when the nice needs to be deployed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Ghandi got a lot done. But something tells me he had quite the attitude.
    He did. But he was anything but pleasant. Especially to the British. He wasn't too nice to his family or people in his way either.
    I can't think of anyone famous person who has got a lot done and also seems like they'd be pleasant to be around while they're getting it done. Can you?

    Nice and pleasant are different to being kind. Sometimes the kindest thing is not pleasant.

    In Japanese there is a saying 'good medicine is bitter to taste'

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    Charming people are highly effective. I think it's true, though, sometimes, that it's good if you have the reputation of being powerful as well, which takes longer to establish if you're nice. But honestly, I'm not going to let anybody turn me into a biatch nor sacrifice my principles of decent behavior because they can't get the lead out. So yeah, I think you can be nice and be effective, but you can't let the necessary confrontations slide. I've fired a person and was absolutely nice about it. There's no reason not to be civil.

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    ^ That's not nice in the sense of pleasant though. That is fair and that was probably the right thing to do. But it's not nice.
    If you go forward straight towards an objective then there will be inevitable friction. Friction is not pleasant.

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    I used to be VERY nice... then I turned into a bit of an aloof jerk last year but one... surprisingly, I got A LOT more respect that way. I didn't like what I'd become (and neither did my mum) and in my quest to strike a balance, I've hit too nice once more. I wish I could find a balance...

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    Very hard to find balance.

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    Tell me about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 01011010 View Post
    Nice doesn't equal doormat
    exactly.
    "Honest differences are often a healthy sign of progress. "

    "You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty."

    "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."

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    If nice and pleasant means being inoffensive to all sensibilities, then no. Otherwise:

    EXFJ.





    ISFJ too.

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