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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Not really. The amount of good music released in the '80s is mind-boggling, especially given the reputation for being a shallow period in music. "Commercialization" is a bullshit poseur's concept.
    I'm not sure why you don't like the concept. Possibly the worst part of the commercialization was that image started overshadowing the music...


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    Pop music always sucked. This "commercialization" phenomenon just helped reinforce the idea that good music isn't necessarily popular and that there is validity in niche markets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    I'm not sure why you don't like the concept. Possibly the worst part of the commercialization was that image started overshadowing the music...


    It's retarded. It's the same as "credibility." It has nothing to do with the music itself, only the completely subjective personal politics of the fans. Besides, do you think "commercialization" made all those hair metal bands suck? They sucked, anyway. They just did with it goofy outfits. The few that were any good (Def Leppard, for instance) would have been good no matter what they wore or what was going on in the world. The '90s were just as bad with the shitty bands that came out in the wake of Nirvana and Pearl Jam, and those bands didn't even have the good taste to be upfront with their image-consciousness. The worst things about popular music in the '80s were the fact that synthesizers and modern production techniques, which opened up a new world of creativity, also made it easier for musicians to coast in their music. There is nothing wrong with making music by machine; there is something wrong with forgetting to write the song with the human element at its core. Also, many artists who burst on the scene in the '60s or '70s had a rough adjustment to the '80s, whether it was due to too much money/time to record (taking several years off is the kiss of death for many bands), massive amounts of drugs, or just the natural burning-out process of being a rock star for many years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    I'm not sure why you don't like the concept. Possibly the worst part of the commercialization was that image started overshadowing the music..
    Wow, look at those gorgeous lips!

    Anyhoo, my song was: "Love Child" by Diana Ross & the Supremes
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    It's retarded. It's the same as "credibility." It has nothing to do with the music itself, only the completely subjective personal politics of the fans. Besides, do you think "commercialization" made all those hair metal bands suck? They sucked, anyway. They just did with it goofy outfits. The few that were any good (Def Leppard, for instance) would have been good no matter what they wore or what was going on in the world. The '90s were just as bad with the shitty bands that came out in the wake of Nirvana and Pearl Jam, and those bands didn't even have the good taste to be upfront with their image-consciousness. The worst things about popular music in the '80s were the fact that synthesizers and modern production techniques, which opened up a new world of creativity, also made it easier for musicians to coast in their music. There is nothing wrong with making music by machine; there is something wrong with forgetting to write the song with the human element at its core. Also, many artists who burst on the scene in the '60s or '70s had a rough adjustment to the '80s, whether it was due to too much money/time to record (taking several years off is the kiss of death for many bands), massive amounts of drugs, or just the natural burning-out process of being a rock star for many years.
    That's a terrible comparison. Credibility is subjective, while commercialization can be observed and it's effects can be noticed. It had everything to do with the music. It was financing, marketing, signing, promoting, producing....

    The 80s swayed popular music away from being an artistic expression and towards becoming just another business venture capitalizing on markets.

    You might think commercialization of art isn't a bad thing. If you do, just say so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    That's a terrible comparison. Credibility is subjective, while commercialization can be observed and it's effects can be noticed. It had everything to do with the music. It was financing, marketing, signing, promoting, producing....
    This was going on long before the '80s. And it was far more shyster-ly back in the day. All that matters is what the music sounds like, and there was a staggering amount of great music released that decade. A lot of it was mainstream pop, too. In fact, the early- to mid-1980s period was probably the only time since the '60s and early-'70s in which the best pop musicians were also amongst highest-selling (with the exception of some brief periods of the best hip-hop artists also being the highest-selling in the '90s and early-00s). I am willing to bet dollars to doughnuts that you probably are not even aware of many of the great artists of 1980s who were NOT selling tons of records, too.


    The 80s swayed popular music away from being an artistic expression and towards becoming just another business venture capitalizing on markets.
    This is one of the most naive things I've ever read.


    You might think commercialization of art isn't a bad thing. If you do, just say so.
    You're completely and totally wrong. Popular music cannot "be commercialized." It's inherently commercial. You sound like someone living in some storybook music fantasy that never existed.
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    YouTube - Survivor - Eye Of The Tiger (Official video clip)



    (all the emoticons that portrays 'dancing'/rocking)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    YouTube - Survivor - Eye Of The Tiger (Official video clip)



    (all the emoticons that portrays 'dancing'/rocking)
    What is your birthdate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    This was going on long before the '80s.
    No one doubts that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
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