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    I have reached the conclusion that there is no conclusion.

    I am immobilised, but dissatisfied and in motion. Torn.

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    Release the hounds, Darrow.

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    I cannot be satisfied by my own logical conclusion according to my own logic either.

    Circle, but a fallacy? I cannot leave logical axiomas outside of my reasoning (because of logical imperatives?).

    This is where I am, I don't think I can go back to non self-reflective logic. I have to compulsively undermine assumptions.

    (the reference was lost on me, btw)

    Give me some feed-back, please. Most people I have talked to have very little to add and/or don't understand where I come from...I feel like I cannot contain this dynamic, it is metastatic...

    Any intellectual pursuit feels naive, trite, stereotypical, the only poems I appreciate are so hermetic and cryptic that their seas of potential meaning make them virtually meaningless, most fill me with disgust because of their misplaced idealism, of what they don't see...very depressing. I suppose a bit of what I might call blindness, or a readiness to stop at a certain point is instrumental in getting anywhere. I want something all-encompassing and I find that emptiness is the only answer.

    I'm such a caricature of postmodern hyperawareness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uytuun View Post
    Any intellectual pursuit feels naive, trite, stereotypical, the only poems I appreciate are so hermetic and cryptic that their seas of potential meaning make them virtually meaningless, most fill me with disgust because of their misplaced idealism, of what they don't see...very depressing. I suppose a bit of what I might call blindness, or a readiness to stop at a certain point is instrumental in getting anywhere. I want something all-encompassing and I find that emptiness is the only answer.

    I'm such a caricature of postmodern hyperawareness.
    very nice & recognizable.
    Admitting the meaninglessness of existence is heroic.

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    Thanks, I admit that I can't admit, though.

    Maybe it's a Belgian thing. :p

    It's upsetting, that in itself is meaningful to me.

    Only art and symbol can evoke the complexity of what I mean, I think...by not expressing it. The interplay of perspectives, the kaleidoscope, implying two sides of the contradiction at the very same time...

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    The great thing about realising everything is subjective should be the follow up realisation that this realisation applies only to you. And it's subjective to boot.

    It's very relaxing to realise you're wrong about being wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uytuun View Post
    Only art and symbol can evoke the complexity of what I mean, I think...by not expressing it.
    yeah very much so. The ability to transcend all prejudice is the beauty of art.

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    Everything might be subjective, but it's not that subjective. Maybe a few percentage points off from being objective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uytuun View Post
    And your truth is that there is no truth.

    There is only contradiction. Contra - dicere...an everlasting dialogue of irony and inconsistency that spirals upward level after level after level. This is where I am at right now. The absoluteness of the relative. The only logical principle that I can see is the absence thereof, the contradiction.
    no ....it is a prove that this rule is wrong

    and we can`t take this as a rule in our thoughts

    the god created brains for us due to think and realize the truth

    realizing truth is divided to two ways

    1-Realizing by the senses

    2-Realizing by effects -----> like footprints in some where means that

    there is somebody walked there

    and so on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    It's very relaxing to realise you're wrong about being wrong.
    Mwhahaha. I too find this relieving, in an evil way.

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