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    My interpretation of clever and lazy is that those people are most equipped to dealing with crisis situations as they stay calm and cool under pressure. (Contrary to popular (SJ) opinion, what's commonly referred to as lazy isn't necessarily without it's good points.) And you want the people in power to be the most focused in those situations because most people are running around like chickens with their heads cut off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamboo View Post
    It's a translation from German, so maybe lazy isn't the right word.

    But lazy could mean concerned with efficiency, so a clever lazy person would come up with plans to get maximum return from minimum effort. Assuming they put in effort.

    An industrious person wouldn't mind doing more work, and would be less efficient.
    Maybe 'relaxed' or 'calm' is a better word then?

    It might just be my ISTJness coming in here, but for me, the idea of being 'industrious' is that you get on with the work and you're not scared of confronting anything that needs to be done, whereas 'laziness' directly implies never confronting the work, consistently placing it low down on your list of priorities. That leads you nowhere fast...

    Perhaps it's better interpreted as someone who calmly reflects on the issues at hand being better than someone who is too eager to leap into action?

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    Quote Originally Posted by booyalab View Post
    My interpretation of clever and lazy is that those people are most equipped to dealing with crisis situations as they stay calm and cool under pressure. (Contrary to popular (SJ) opinion, what's commonly referred to as lazy isn't necessarily without it's good points.) And you want the people in power to be the most focused in those situations because most people are running around like chickens with their heads cut off.

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    Well there you go, exactly what I mean. Calm doesn't = lazy.

    By the way, calmly getting on with it is totally SJ! You'll never get an SJ running around like a headless chicken. Probably why there actually are so many ISTJs in the army.

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    I'm lazy. And yet I'm not. When doing things that I feel are important or interesting, then I am far from lazy. Otherwise, yes very lazy. But isn't everyone this way?

    So what even is a lazy person?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    Well there you go, exactly what I mean. Calm doesn't = lazy.
    When it comes to people and their tendencies, it kind of does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Costrin View Post
    I'm lazy. And yet I'm not. When doing things that I feel are important or interesting, then I am far from lazy. Otherwise, yes very lazy. But isn't everyone this way?

    So what even is a lazy person?
    Fair point. Everyone has their lazy moments of procrastination. Sometimes it's necessary, just so that we can cope with our next outburst of productive activity!

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    Quote Originally Posted by booyalab View Post
    When it comes to people and their tendencies, it kind of does.
    I'm not saying it never does, just that they don't inevitably mean the same thing. I can work in a calm manner. I'm sure the vast majority of people do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    Well there you go, exactly what I mean. Calm doesn't = lazy.

    By the way, calmly getting on with it is totally SJ! You'll never get an SJ running around like a headless chicken.
    Leadership in crisis situations doesn't involve "calmly getting on with it". It involves calmly fixing things. SJs need predetermined rules, so they're better in middle management. And btw, ESFJs are not calm.
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    Aside from using this quote to justify your laziness *ahem*...

    What's more of a hazard, the stupid and industrious or the stupid and lazy?
    To an organization? To a society?
    Don't know how much it'll bend til it breaks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamboo View Post
    Aside from using this quote to justify your laziness *ahem*...

    What's more of a hazard, the stupid and industrious or the stupid and lazy?
    To an organization? To a society?
    Stupid and industrious. Stupid and lazy cause drag but would tend to be a benign hazard compared to industrious people.

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