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    Quote Originally Posted by Grayscale View Post
    i dont doubt that, but for the same reason i still disagree. the question of importance is to what depth does "quality" socializing go?

    my point is, why wouldnt an extrovert think they could really understand other people so easily? think about it...
    let's not get into depth here...because i promise you that is not an e/i difference...hmmhmm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erinavery View Post
    i thought it was widely accepted that he was an intp...no?
    Yeah, major Ns are the ones who are considered sensotards because of their lack of attention to the concrete world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Einstein was a well known sensotard.
    Oh, right. All introverts are Einstein. I forgot. Introvert hubris in full display mode.

    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Well the part about animals was tongue-and-cheek. But what are your thoughts on it?
    My first thought was, you have no idea what it's like to be an extrovert. We are not snuffling around like wolves or rabbits or squirrels devoid of conscious thought and living entirely in the moment in a world dictated by physical urges and instinct. It is so much larger and ineffable than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Yeah, major Ns are the ones who are considered sensotards because of their lack of attention to the concrete world.
    oh i missed that...sensotard, right.

    edit...in fact i'm totally a sensotard but let's not call me that. i think i hate that word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    yea, same here.
    My goal has to do with the other person's happiness usually, not trying to sell anything but smiles. Usually takes getting a decent read on someone to figure out what's going to make them happy.
    i wasnt comparing extroverts to introverts as car salesman to mechanics in the sense of what they literally do, but the relative understanding of what they have in common (cars)

    Quote Originally Posted by erinavery View Post
    let's not get into depth here...because i promise you that is not an e/i difference...hmmhmm.
    maybe not, but it probably is. i see a lot of extroverted people excel in those social settings, that is not to say they are incapable of more intimate socializing, but it's irrelevant because it still stands that they find the depth of socializing in large groups adequately satisfying

    actually, im not really sure why anyone is taking this personally, it is a difference of desires, for one to be better than the other we would first have to agree on to what ends we are comparing the two, wouldnt we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Einstein was a well known sensotard.
    ENTPs are less sensorish than intps actually. That's a mistake you guys often do.

    being extroverted has nothing to do with sensing.
    To an extrovert the point of reference is external, whatever I say is just so very relative and worth nothing out of its context
    To an introvert if a system is beautiful\complex enough it takes a life of its own.
    They take the world in.
    My point was just to say that just as extroverts can be influenced or whatever introverts can confuse their thoughts with reality if they look pretty enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    Oh, right. All introverts are Einstein. I forgot. Introvert hubris in full display mode.



    My first thought was, you have no idea what it's like to be an extrovert. We are not snuffling around like wolves or rabbits or squirrels devoid of conscious thought and living entirely in the moment in a world dictated by physical urges and instinct. It is so much larger and ineffable than that.
    Right. A total introvert would appear to be autistic, and a total extrovert would appear to be feral. We all possess some extrovert/introvert habits, just in difference degrees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grayscale View Post
    i wasnt comparing extroverts to introverts as car salesman to mechanics in the sense of what they literally do, but the relative understanding of what they have in common (cars)
    Hmm. Right, but being an introvert is not going to give you a deep understanding of people through observation. Being people oriented might give you a deep perspective of people. Asking questions and listening is going to help you get a good insight on people. (Something an extrovert is likely to do.) A lot of introverts could care less, as do extroverts. But if you are focused on people and want to understand, then the depth of your understanding is not going to be dependant on whether you are an introvert or an extrovert. The two are simply going to be collecting information in a different way.

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    (i use intps as an example because as an entp I get them)

    And what most intps forget is that einstein, after his works on the wave\particle 'duality' of photons to explain the black body radiations and relativity refused to hear the growing evidence supporting quantum theories and spent the rest of his life pursuing ghosts because, and i'm almost quoting here, he thought that a theory about the inner workings of a huge, inhuman universe should fit his earth ground, evolutionary selected vision of beauty.
    Knowing that our vision of beauty probably finds its origin in the selection of the healthier potential mates. (yes I'm talking algorithms, size\shape ratio and so on)
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    Hmm. Right, but being an introvert is not going to give you a deep understanding of people through observation. Being people oriented might give you a deep perspective of people. Asking questions and listening is going to help you get a good insight on people. (Something an extrovert is likely to do.) A lot of introverts could care less, as do extroverts. But if you are focused on people and want to understand, then the depth of your understanding is not going to be dependant on whether you are an introvert or an extrovert. The two are simply going to be collecting information in a different way.
    i wouldnt pick john madden for my football team, i'll just say that.

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