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    Default Manipulation -- why not?

    Okay so this was somewhat inspired by the graveyard thread but I've been thinking about it for years anyway...

    What's wrong with manipulating people?

    I could make a case, but I'd like people to answer so that I can respond.

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    I'd say it depends on the relationship between two people.

    Sometimes manipulating a recalcitrant two-year-old is expedient. A boss could possibly manipulate employees as a method of side-stepping policy becoming too personal.

    And at some point, I think a habit of manipulation in a relationship could thwart trust and closeness if that was the goal of the relationship. So motive would come in there someplace, also.
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    If you are a moral relativist, then all that matters to you should be your intention. If you believe in an objective form of morality, and if manipulation would fall under the category of amoral to you, then it is bad.

    Maybe your just one of those people who believes that the ends allways justify the means.

    Personally, I am some what of a utilitarian and believe that if you are manipulating someone for their/others own good and benifit, then you are ok. It all depends on intention for me and I believe that all actions should be judged based on their intention. This is physically impossible for us to judge something like that but to a metaphysical being beyond us, it should be cake.
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    I think the biggest problem with manipulation being good is that it's a subversive supplicant (and a poor one at that) for genuine Reason.

    To use Anja's example, if you have a child that's old enough to understand the real reason WHY you shouldn't do X or Y, then you are unjustified in using manipulation instead of valid education to guide the young mind. Same goes for adults, as well.

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    I only really manipulate people so that I steer them away from crashing and burning, doing it for no reason seems to be a bad thing.
    () 9w8-3w4-7w6 tritype.

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    My mind works so that I tend to manipulate my mind around circumstances of others. If i need a certain outcome, I'm not the person to go and change what's in others, but change what's in me, so that others don't require manipulation, and all goes smoothly...if your catching that.
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    Manipulation is viewed as antagonistic. If the attempt is discovered, it will result in negative feelings.

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    Without Manipulation, the world would not spin as easily as it does.
    Is it that by its indefiniteness it shadows forth the heartless voids and immensities of the universe, and thus stabs us from behind with the thought of annihilation, when beholding the white depths of the milky way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWithSoul View Post
    Without Manipulation, the world would not spin as easily as it does.
    I prefer to call it conservation of angular momentum.

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    Personally, if I find out that I've been manipulated, or if I suspect that someone is trying to manipulate me, I don't like it. I prefer open communication with equals.
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