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    Quote Originally Posted by disregard View Post
    But it is a part of life. It exists in life.
    I was making a point. I didn't mean it literally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    I was reading (I needed to for my job, at the time) the manuals issued to UK government officials if they need to write to the embassies of foreign countries in London to get tax and salary information for UK workers. In these manuals, it says

    "Be very careful with the choice of language, and especially avoid using a phrase that could unintentionally be interpreted as a declaration of war"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    "Be very careful with the choice of language, and especially avoid using a phrase that could unintentionally be interpreted as a declaration of war"
    Have they had problems with this in the past? The British Empire suddenly makes so much more sense now.

    Those careless Victorians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post

    You can't just go to the school and say "My daughter did wrong so she should be different or special! just because everyone else did wrong!" .. I think our statement in this matter is "We agree with this situation, but why is all of this going on and you're picking an easy target?" when we approach it this way.
    Could you elaborate and explain why you feel your sister is an easy target?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Works View Post
    Could you elaborate and explain why you feel your sister is an easy target?
    Certainly. My point entirely is that it was done in a classroom, during class time. There is no question about who, what, where, when.. it's a REALLY easy case, so it's quickly brought up and dealt with. Only one adult present.

    Disobedience and disrespect, along with racial slurs, are said on a bus before the bus has even left the loading zone (otherwise the AP couldn't have been called and arrive.) to both two students and two adults and nothing is done, even though two adults are present to witness it.

    I don't understand this entirely.. only that for some reason, it is easier to punish a kid in class than it is to punish a kid just outside of the classroom while class is being conducted. Because this seems to be easier, it is usually always dealt with.. where the latter incidents are allowed to slide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    Certainly. My point entirely is that it was done in a classroom, during class time. There is no question about who, what, where, when.. it's a REALLY easy case, so it's quickly brought up and dealt with. Only one adult present.

    Disobedience and disrespect, along with racial slurs, are said on a bus before the bus has even left the loading zone (otherwise the AP couldn't have been called and arrive.) to both two students and two adults and nothing is done, even though two adults are present to witness it.

    I don't understand this entirely.. only that for some reason, it is easier to punish a kid in class than it is to punish a kid just outside of the classroom while class is being conducted. Because this seems to be easier, it is usually always dealt with.. where the latter incidents are allowed to slide.

    Hmm. Ok, I think I have a better understanding of what you're saying. I would avoid saying that your sister is an "easy target" it makes it sound like there is a personal vendetta. Instead I would say that there is a double standard regarding discipline and why is one standard used in your sister's case but not others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Works View Post
    Hmm. Ok, I think I have a better understanding of what you're saying. I would avoid saying that your sister is an "easy target" it makes it sound like there is a personal vendetta. Instead I would say that there is a double standard regarding discipline and why is one standard used in your sister's case but not others?
    ...and how is your sister to know that bus standards do not apply in class, when both bus and class are supervised school environments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    ^ I don't think it does, Dis.

    What I'm upset about is how there's an unequal standard. Talking to another teacher, students on the bus are held to the same code of conduct on the bus as they are in school. I'm not upset at ALL my sister got punished for doing something wrong.. I'm not even upset that it was suspension ( I mean I am, but that's more emotional side of it all, logically I agree with the sentence.)

    So why is it cussing, fighting, etc. can happen on the bus without consequence, but there's an instant punishment in this situation.

    To Jeff - I don't claim her to be a good child, I already said that. I'm upset about the double standard between in class, and on the bus. How several reports of the n-word being used, lies that might cost bus driver's their jobs are told, and nothing is done (I'm not being exaggerating when I say that)
    I get what it is. It's the inconsistent punishment that's got you bugged.

    This isn't a new phenomenon. When my sister was in high school, two sisters tried to beat her up because they liked her boyfriend. Not only did she defend herself, but she beat the crap out of both of them.

    The asst. principal's response was to attempt to have my sister put in JDC, while the two sisters who attacked her got off scott-free. My mother, understandably, went ballistic. Because the sisters' mother worked for the school board, they were given favored treatment, even though they threw the first punch.

    When my mother told the asst. principal that my sister going to JDC was fine, but the other two had better be sitting in the cell next to hers, they balked. When my mother threatened legal action, they were all suspended for three days.

    When I went to high school, that asst. principal became my principal. I couldn't say "boo" without having that guy up in my face. And I *wasn't* a bad kid. Yet the kids making drug deals in the school commons area had no problems whatsoever.
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    They shoulda handled this the old-fashioned way. Teacher slaps your sister in the face with a glove. Then it's swords at dawn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JivinJeffJones View Post
    ...and how is your sister to know that bus standards do not apply in class, when both bus and class are supervised school environments?
    Hm. I think this is my point.. is that as long as it's a school environment, it should have a standard and be upheld to it.

    I know it's going to be impossible to control kids the same way on a bus as at school, but certain priority things (like language, violence, contraban, etc.) need strict enforcement because the bus is only a privilage afterall.. the kids are certainly capable of walking and parents are capable of taking turns carpooling kids.

    Quote Originally Posted by Enyo View Post
    I get what it is. It's the inconsistent punishment that's got you bugged.

    This isn't a new phenomenon. When my sister was in high school, two sisters tried to beat her up because they liked her boyfriend. Not only did she defend herself, but she beat the crap out of both of them.

    The asst. principal's response was to attempt to have my sister put in JDC, while the two sisters who attacked her got off scott-free. My mother, understandably, went ballistic. Because the sisters' mother worked for the school board, they were given favored treatment, even though they threw the first punch.

    When my mother told the asst. principal that my sister going to JDC was fine, but the other two had better be sitting in the cell next to hers, they balked. When my mother threatened legal action, they were all suspended for three days.

    When I went to high school, that asst. principal became my principal. I couldn't say "boo" without having that guy up in my face. And I *wasn't* a bad kid. Yet the kids making drug deals in the school commons area had no problems whatsoever.
    Sad story to hear, and not the first for sure.. I am venting a bit, naturally I'm bugged about the situation personally.. but for this thread's purposes, it was foremost to get a feel for the differences between classroom and school bus to others, and a bit of frustration successfully vented out second.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    They shoulda handled this the old-fashioned way. Teacher slaps your sister in the face with a glove. Then it's swords at dawn.

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