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    I'm not a teacher, but I have a feeling your sister had it coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    I don't understand how kids get away with SO much now-a-days, but everytime my sister does wrong the school cracks down on her like she might as well be in boot camp. She's not a GOOD kid, but she's definitely not as outrageous as the children I come across on a daily basis.
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    1) Perhaps they expect more from her than from the other (possibly hopeless) individuals
    2) Other people's wrongs don't make hers alright

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    Teacher here. I have a pretty thick skin to most things. One of my students called me a cocksucker once. I laughed and dealt with it on my own terms and didn't involve the administration.

    It sounds like your sister was suspended not for cussing but for insubordination and disrespect. It really varies depending on what administrator is handling the problem, how many problems the student has had in the past, the position of the person reporting the problem, and a handful of other x-factors. I wasn't there to decide whether or not the suspension was just, but it doesn't surprise me.

    Are you more upset that your sister was suspended or that your father's complaints weren't met with the same response?
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    ^ I don't think it does, Dis.

    What I'm upset about is how there's an unequal standard. Talking to another teacher, students on the bus are held to the same code of conduct on the bus as they are in school. I'm not upset at ALL my sister got punished for doing something wrong.. I'm not even upset that it was suspension ( I mean I am, but that's more emotional side of it all, logically I agree with the sentence.)

    So why is it cussing, fighting, etc. can happen on the bus without consequence, but there's an instant punishment in this situation.

    To Jeff - I don't claim her to be a good child, I already said that. I'm upset about the double standard between in class, and on the bus. How several reports of the n-word being used, lies that might cost bus driver's their jobs are told, and nothing is done (I'm not being exaggerating when I say that)
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    Cause unfortunately bus drivers are seen as nothing more than glorified janitors. The teachers more often than not have less respect for them than the students, so its not a real surprise that things go that way. But I do agree its bullshit. But rather than bitching about the problem, focus on a solution. What would you do to change things?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    ^ I don't think it does, Dis.

    What I'm upset about is how there's an unequal standard. Talking to another teacher, students on the bus are held to the same code of conduct on the bus as they are in school. I'm not upset at ALL my sister got punished for doing something wrong.. I'm not even upset that it was suspension ( I mean I am, but that's more emotional side of it all, logically I agree with the sentence.)

    So why is it cussing, fighting, etc. can happen on the bus without consequence, but there's an instant punishment in this situation.

    To Jeff - I don't claim her to be a good child, I already said that. I'm upset about the double standard between in class, and on the bus. How several reports of the n-word being used, lies that might cost bus driver's their jobs are told, and nothing is done (I'm not being exaggerating when I say that)
    Sometimes things can be the final straw, for a teacher? Like all humans they lose their rag with someone eventually...

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    I say let's just let everybody, students, teachers, the whole world do what ever they feel like doing. That'll make everybody happy!

    If you're concerned for your sister's well-being, Kyuuei, and it sounds like you are, letting someone set limits with her is a start. They're going to do it "wrong." Not like you'd like it to be. But the fact that someone thought she was headed in the wrong direction and took time to call her on it is better than ignoring it. For her sake.

    Edit: Maybe keep your focus on the fact that she's making poor choices and needs consequences to call her attention to it rather than how others are handling it?

    Another thing, as example. Someone I love went to prison at a young age because he was out of control. It was a terrible injustice in the way it was handled and totally out of family's ability to control. It did, however, get his attention and cause him to make some life changes which may have prevented further problems for him.
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    I never got into real trouble for cussing but I had a way to make my teachers unite against me. I got in-school suspension more times than I care to count and I got really close to having to do community work (don't know if that's the correct expression in english) twice.

    Teachers would speak among themselves about my behavior and it was normal for me to start a new year with a couple of new teachers that didn't like me from the get go

    I was just snarky as hell and abhorred authority. Got into a lot of trouble for that. They even put me in a different class to isolate me. :S


    So I can kinda sympathize with your sister. I was my teachers' enemy #1 as well.


    Funnily enough a few teachers loved me to death.They either hated me or loved me (or pretended they did) but mostly just hated me.

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    We should give teachers a bit of wiggle room when it comes to this stuff. They don't get paid enough and there are shortages of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post

    So why is it cussing, fighting, etc. can happen on the bus without consequence, but there's an instant punishment in this situation.
    To be perfectly honest it's because staff and contract workers aren't held in as high esteem and aren't worth as much to the district.
    There's also teacher unions which make school districts wary about upsetting/undermining a teacher.

    Then again, it varies by school district. Mine has a very hard nosed stance to disruptions not only on the bus but at bus stops.

    :: I've always said that if they want the bus driver to drive safely and keep discipline, then they're asking too much.

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