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    Well most prejudices are half-truths, bad because they are inadequate as a half truth but not entirely devoid of some truth most of the time.

    Edmund Burke had some interesting things to say about prejudice and some classical conservatives too, even if you're machavellian and dont have or rely on prejudice yourself its important not to discount them in others.

    Even if you're not machavellian, you could be a very unprejudiced person but you'll still be a target for others who are, it wont make a difference to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Well most prejudices are half-truths, bad because they are inadequate as a half truth but not entirely devoid of some truth most of the time.

    Edmund Burke had some interesting things to say about prejudice and some classical conservatives too, even if you're machavellian and dont have or rely on prejudice yourself its important not to discount them in others.

    Even if you're not machavellian, you could be a very unprejudiced person but you'll still be a target for others who are, it wont make a difference to them.
    When you replace prejudice with curiosity, and think about your faults that others are definitely noticing before thinking about others' faults that you're noticing, and put yourself in their shoes, and stop making expectations about how they should and shouldn't be, you'd stop jumping to conclusions and generalizations, then you'll have the less of the prejudice.. and would reward yourself by starting to see more interesting aspects of things and people than you ever imagined, new worlds would be open in front of you, and you would eventually have more peace in heart..
    Prejudice is coming from a lack of self confidence, the prejudiced person always feel a degradation that he need to cover up with prejudice, but it won't do a thing but draining the positive energy from the person and replace it with negative energy..

    As for those (others) that I might be a target for their prejudice, although I'm not interested in winning debates, I can only give them a smart on point answer, and I keep a record of them that would get them down, but not necessarily use it..
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    Quote Originally Posted by geedoenfj View Post
    When you replace prejudice with curiosity, and think about your faults that others are definitely noticing before thinking about others' faults that you're noticing, and put yourself in their shoes, and stop making expectations about how they should and shouldn't be, you'd stop jumping to conclusions and generalizations, then you'll have the less of the prejudice.. and would reward yourself by starting to see more interesting aspects of things and people than you ever imagined, new worlds would be open in front of you, and you would eventually have more peace in heart..
    Prejudice is coming from a lack of self confidence, the prejudiced person always feel a degradation that he need to cover up with prejudice, but it won't do a thing but draining the positive energy from the person and replace it with negative energy..

    As for those (others) that I might be a target for their prejudice, although I'm not interested in winning debates, I can only give them a smart on point answer, and I keep a record of them that would get them down, but not necessarily use it..
    I would not argue too strongly in favour of prejudice because most of the time I consider it a rationalisation of a strong affect after the fact, usually some kind of ego defence mechanism, I know that rationalisation is an ego defence but I mean that rather than its commonplace, almost accidential, deployment it is instead a patterned or characteristic style of thinking, explanatory style, arising from personal resistance to insights about the self.

    On the other hand I would maintain that there are legitimate prejudice or that it can be utilitarian, kind of like doing the correct/right thing for the wrong/incorrect reasons.

    Though like I say half truths, inadequate and incomplete information.

    The most obvious, stereotypical and cliched prejudices are usually the easiest disproven or challenged really, its the ones which have gone unchecked for so long that do the damage, or the ones which pass long enough for truisms to be accepted as such, there is for instance as much liberal prejudice as there is racism, sexism, homophobia etc.
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    "Be-and yet know the great void where all things begin,
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    “We are living in a culture entirely hypnotized by the illusion of time, in which the so-called present moment is felt as nothing but an infinitesimal hairline between an all-powerfully causative past and an absorbingly important future. We have no present. Our consciousness is almost completely preoccupied with memory and expectation. We do not realize that there never was, is, nor will be any other experience than present experience. We are therefore out of touch with reality. We confuse the world as talked about, described, and measured with the world which actually is. We are sick with a fascination for the useful tools of names and numbers, of symbols, signs, conceptions and ideas.”
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    “We are living in a culture entirely hypnotized by the illusion of time, in which the so-called present moment is felt as nothing but an infinitesimal hairline between an all-powerfully causative past and an absorbingly important future. We have no present. Our consciousness is almost completely preoccupied with memory and expectation. We do not realize that there never was, is, nor will be any other experience than present experience. We are therefore out of touch with reality. We confuse the world as talked about, described, and measured with the world which actually is. We are sick with a fascination for the useful tools of names and numbers, of symbols, signs, conceptions and ideas.”
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    "The clash between the Greek and the Bulgarian churches did much to foster the idea among western observers that conflict on the Balkan peninsula was essentially religious in nature. In fact, the IO's leadership and activists were fired much more by the secular ideologies of socialism and anarchism. Adherence to one church or the other was simply the most convenient way of labelling the national or political commitment of a village at a time when national or political consciousness in a modern sense barely existed among the peasantry. Conversions of whole villages were common. Sometimes they took place at the end of a gun barrel, sometimes there were compelling economic reasons, as H.N. Brailsford discovered at the time:

    'I was talking to a wealthy peasant who came in from a neighbouring village to Monastir market. He spoke Greek well, but hardly like a native. 'Is you village Greek,' I asked him, 'or Bulgarian?' 'Well,' he replied, 'it is Bulgarian now, but four years ago it was Greek.' The answer seemed to him entirely natural and commonplace. 'How,' I asked in some bewilderment, 'did that miracle come about?' 'Why,' said he, 'we are all poor men, but we want to have our own school and a priest who will look after us properly. We used to have a Greek teacher. We paid him £5 a year and his bread, while the Greek consul paid him another £5; but we had no priest of our own. We shared a priest with several other villages, but he was very unpunctual and remiss. We went to the Greek Bishop to complain, but he refused to do anything for us. The Bulgarians heard of this and they came and made us an offer. They said they would give us a priest who would live in the village and a teacher to whom we need pay nothing. Well, sirs, our is a poor village, and so of course we became Bulgarians.'"

    - Misha Glenny: The Balkans 1804 - 1999

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