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    Quote Originally Posted by erinavery View Post
    ^^ who said the nt's were at fault? i didn't read it that way.
    It certainly read that way. Mostly about how NTs can't understand NFs. Nothing about the actual method of understanding the world, but just that. Nothing on the other way around.

    Are we talking about the Holden Caufield thread?
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    you know...actually my first thought was that it might be easier for them (nt) to understand us(nf) then the other way around...but that's because i can't step outside of myself as easily as you might...so i have no idea...if you can understand emotion in the same way or not...and i don't know if nf's can understand logic in quite the same way either...it seems like the best you could get was native language vs learned language...you'll always translate from one to the other...so it will never be exactly equal will it...but good enough....right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    AAAHHH THAT IS IT! Now everything makes total sense.
    I always thought that T stands for True and F for False.

    Does that mean NT = Not True and NF = Not False?

    Then NF = True and NT = False, and I am really confused again.


    Quote Originally Posted by erinavery View Post
    you know...actually my first thought was that it might be easier for them (nt) to understand us(nf) then the other way around...but that's because i can't step outside of myself as easily as you might...so i have no idea...if you can understand emotion in the same way or not...and i don't know if nf's can understand logic in quite the same way either...
    Besides that, the dichotomies aren't necessarily true.

    I mean, you are lumping Ni + Fe and Fi + Ne people together (are they really THAT much alike?) and Ni + Te and Ti + Ne people together. Do INTPs have more in common with INTJs or with INFPs? We could argue about that for awhile.

    I think just general impersonal "T" (regardless of N or E/I factor) versus "F" (same) might make a sensible grouping, but it has to stay on the general level... because the specifics generate a lot of deviation within the NT group and within the NF group.

    it seems like the best you could get was native language and learned language...you'll always translate from one to the other...so it will never be exactly equal will it...but good enough....right?
    Yes, I translate NF speak into NT speak in my head. I don't know if it's ever natural. I use N coupled with experience to get there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Does that mean NT = Not True and NF = Not False?

    Then NF = True and NT = False, and I am really confused again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    It's not emotions, it's values.
    Everyone has emotions.



    It's not emoitons, it's values.
    Everyone has emotions.



    It's not emotions, it's values.
    Everyone has emotions.



    It's not cold rationality, it's detached (or impersonal) judgment.



    It's not cold rationality, it's detached (or impersonal) judgment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Does that mean NT = Not True and NF = Not False?

    Then NF = True and NT = False, and I am really confused again.

    Maybe, but that still does not answers the question : What is true or false?

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    NTs try to go about decisions in a more logical, consistent, and objective way, where as NFs go on gut-feelings, empathy, and emotion more. So I think NT behavior will be more easily understood by NFs than vice-versa. Because it makes more, or at least more easily viewed, sense. But if we add introversion/extroversion to the mix, it all changes.

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    maybe you're right...and desire to learn/understand is a huge factor too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erinavery View Post
    maybe you're right...and desire to learn/understand is a huge factor too.
    Oh yeah I didn't consider that. That might be another +1 for NFs understanding better.

    And as for the NTs strong analytical ability, it seems to be more apt at understanding the abstract and theoretical than it is at understanding interpersonal relationships, because there is less consistency and logical application.

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    yeah...but it seems we're both driven to understand...like we both NEED to understand...but what we are looking to understand is different i guess right?
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