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    Quote Originally Posted by Sona View Post
    Its not opposing Jihad. What Bin Laden, and the Iraqis are doing is not a Jihad. Killing innocents using woman and children as shields is not a Jihad, its a disgrace.
    Well, if things changed in Iraq and it DID meet your definition of jihad, you could always go AWOL and fight for the Christians in Darfur...oh, wait...I meant the Philippines...oh, sorry...how about defending the Christians and Hindus in Indonesia? Ooops...there's always fighting for the Russians in Chechnya...no, I guess not...how about helping India defend their border in Kashmir? No, no good...What about helping Musharraf clear the terrorist out of Waziristan? No? Well, there's always the Serbs, can't forget the Serbs...wait, my bad! Gaza. You can help control the trouble in Gaza. Oh, that's jihad too? Then there's always the effort to put down the civil war in Cote d'Ivoire...Hmmm. No? That's okay, there are plenty of options left...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sahara View Post
    It is haram to fight against a muslim brother, especially in aid of a kuffar nation, remember, help your brother wether he is the oppressed or the oppressor.
    Quoting out of context doesn't make you smart,

    Prophet Muhammad (saas) stated:Anas bin Malik narrated that Allah’s Messenger said: “Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one. People asked, “O Allah’s Messenger! It is all right to help him if he is oppressed, but how should we help him if he is an oppressor? The Prophet said: “By preventing him from oppressing others.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sona View Post
    Quoting out of context doesn't make you smart,

    Prophet Muhammad (saas) stated:Anas bin Malik narrated that Allah’s Messenger said: “Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one. People asked, “O Allah’s Messenger! It is all right to help him if he is oppressed, but how should we help him if he is an oppressor? The Prophet said: “By preventing him from oppressing others.”

    Oh thanks, I hadn't seen that one, I saw the one that doesn't include the highlighted bit. As you know how repetetive they can be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sahara View Post
    Oh thanks, I hadn't seen that one, I saw the one that doesn't include the highlighted bit. As you know how repetetive they can be.
    Thats why hadith should only be interpreted by scholars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sona View Post
    Thats why hadith should only be interpreted by scholars.
    No, that's why they should be updated, to sit back and allow someone else to interpret things for you, is to place yourself in a pecarious position, who is to say their interpretation is the correct one either?

    After all, I allowed myself to follow Yusuf Ali's interpretation, which turned out to be wrong.

    It is after all an interpretation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sahara View Post
    No, that's why they should be updated, to sit back and allow someone else to interpret things for you, is to place yourself in a pecarious position, who is to say their interpretation is the correct one either?

    After all, I allowed myself to follow Yusuf Ali's interpretation, which turned out to be wrong.

    It is after all an interpretation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sona View Post
    Learn Arabic then like me. Simple.
    I am as it happens, teaching myself, as I always knew how to read arabic, just the language is different from Moroccan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haight View Post
    And no . . . I'm not going to create a "Middle East" sub-forum.
    Go on, I'll volunteer to moderate. It'll be like living the life of Tony Blair in his new quad-endorsed role...generally disliked, put in the job because nobody else wants it, and mediating over the irrelevant side-issues nobody cares about.

    In other words, a personal triumph.
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    Can we get back to "should Sona join the army?"

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    If you want to join the army, then you should join.

    You'll find out in time if it was the right choice, and either way that lesson will be more valuable than any words bandied on a message board.

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