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    Quote Originally Posted by A Schnitzel View Post
    Would you like to paraphrase Mcluhan's argument for the majority of the membership? You can't expect everyone to have read every book.
    I do think that everyone operating in the Noosphere on the internet should read, "Understanding Media".

    However the famous quote is, "The medium is the message".

    This I am sure you will say is cryptic. But it is more than cryptic, it is designed to rearrange our thinking.

    And this is truly the important thing - to learn to think in another way.

    And so in order to think in another way, I write in another way.

    It is meant to arrest the attention.

    It is meant to subvert the quotidian and lead us into ecstasy.

    But in the meantime we can expect disorientation. We can expect cognitive dissonance.

    And disorientation and cognitive dissonance are signs that learning is talking place.

    And we are not just repeating the same old, some old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    Victor, you tease. I expected pictures of hos up in here.
    Believe me, Jeffster, I have been tempted.

    When pornographic pictures of the gun fetish are openly allowed here, I say why not pornographic pictures of hos?

    Plainly we are allowed to put pornographic pictures of guns designed only to kill, but we can't put pornographic pictures of sex designed solely for pleasure.

    I find I am out of tune with a culture that loves the tools of killing but hates pictures of pleasure.

    It seems unbelievably perverse to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    However the famous quote is, "The medium is the message".

    This I am sure you will say is cryptic. But it is more than cryptic, it is designed to rearrange our thinking.
    I've heard that quote, but I'd like you to explain how it specifically applies in this forum in relation to your previous posts.

    While it may be designed to rearrange our thinking, I'm also pretty sure it isn't possible. Sure people will be more aware of how they are affected be the medium more than the actual text written. People will always be affected by it. You're affected by it. If I have a different avatar, different post count, different post history, something else posted in my personality type slot and location, I can guarantee that you will respond differently. There's nothing you can do to stop it. Detaching from the media may be a worthwhile goal, but it's not going to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Schnitzel View Post
    I've heard that quote, but I'd like you to explain how it specifically applies in this forum in relation to your previous posts.

    While it may be designed to rearrange our thinking, I'm also pretty sure it isn't possible. Sure people will be more aware of how they are affected be the medium more than the actual text written. People will always be affected by it. You're affected by it. If I have a different avatar, different post count, different post history, something else posted in my personality type slot and location, I can guarantee that you will respond differently. There's nothing you can do to stop it. Detaching from the media may be a worthwhile goal, but it's not going to happen.
    This is a difficult thing to argue about.

    It is more a way of seeing and hearing and sensing.

    So it would be more appropriate for me to show you rather than tell you.

    And that is why I write in Telegraphic Prose - in order to show you.

    If I were teaching you to paint, I would not tell you, I would show you. And if you were leaning to ride a bike, we wouldn't argue about it, I would show you and you would do it. And the same for riding a surfboard - I can't argue you onto a surfboard.

    All I can say is that new media numb you so you can't feel them rearranging your sensorium.

    So I am suggesting you become a little more conscious of what is happening to you every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    This is a difficult thing to argue about.

    It is more a way of seeing and hearing and sensing.

    So it would be more appropriate for me to show you rather than tell you.

    And that is why I write in Telegraphic Prose - in order to show you.

    If I were teaching you to paint, I would not tell you, I would show you. And if you were leaning to ride a bike, we wouldn't argue about it, I would show you and you would do it. And the same for riding a surfboard - I can't argue you onto a surfboard.

    All I can say is that new media numb you so you can't feel them rearranging your sensorium.

    So I am suggesting you become a little more conscious of what is happening to you every day.
    Are you saying that by writing hypnotically you make us realize that participating in a forum has a hypnotic effect on us?

    Your secret's safe with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Schnitzel View Post
    Are you saying that by writing hypnotically you make us realize that participating in a forum has a hypnotic effect on us?

    Your secret's safe with me.
    I am saying that writing in a mildly hypnotic way is really the same as writing in a mildly poetic way.

    And the purpose is to engage your imagination.

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    MBTI would first have to be taken seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 01011010 View Post
    MBTI would first have to be taken seriously.
    Well, I took MBTI seriously enough to discover its history.
    And I took MBTI seriously enough to find its position in society.
    And I took MBTI seriously enough to discover its effect on the psyche.

    But when I share what I have discovered, I am met with almost blanket resistance.

    So at this point it is the resistance that needs to be explained.

    Just as the resistance needs to be explained in psycho-analysis.

    And surprise, surprise! The father of psycho-analysis is traduced on these pages.

    So we have here a deeply embedded group resistance. Or what might be called a shared psychological defence.

    And this is the hallmark of a cult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    And this is the hallmark of a cult.
    Well, I honestly agree with you to some extent. Yet, I think some individuals remain at the forum for the community, more than MBTI theory.

    Would those people still apply under fanaticism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 01011010 View Post
    Well, I honestly agree with you to some extent. Yet, I think some individuals remain at the forum for the community, more than MBTI theory.

    Would those people still apply under fanaticism?
    Well, I stay because Central is well run and tolerant and there is a good number of members and new members keep arriving and some members stay quite a while and give Central stability and a memory.

    Also I stay because I learn from each interaction. Also as I write I learn about myself.

    So I enjoy writing and enjoy the interaction.

    I don't think Central is at all fanatic. What I mean by a cult is that it is like a home, but a home in which one shouldn't criticise the parents.

    So a good side of a cult is that it provides a sense of belonging and social acceptance at the expense criticism.

    I like to be socially accepted and I also love critical thinking. So I am reliant on the tolerance of the group. And let's face it - this is a pretty tolerant group. And I am proof of this.

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