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    Default Are alpha males and females necessary anymore?

    In a biological and social sense, is there any modern need for the alpha and female roles in society? How has the role of alpha personality types shifted in the last 50 years or so?

    Just as a frame of reference I'm talking not over-the-top, pop cultural machismo or queen bee/diva caricatures. But I do notice that whenever people talk about alpha males and females it tends to be in the context of sexual conquests.

    The most gender neutral definition of an alpha I can find is:

    Ambitious, self-confident, competitive, opinionated, aggressive, results-driven achievers who insist on top performance from themselves and others...

    In the business world...they fluctuate between healthy and unhealthy alpha tendencies: their magnetic leadership commands respect, but their aggressive tactics create resistance, resentment and revenge; people stand in awe of their competence and can-do energy, but they often hate reporting to them or being in a team with them.
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    I would posit that in the business world, the alpha male/females are the ones who keep folks from becoming too lazy and lose sight of the prize. Keeps folks motivated.
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    Gotta have the annoying little buggers. Yup. They are an unfortunate necessity. Heh.
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    Yes. They are still vital for making everything run correctly in a professional milieu. They accomplish objectives and reach goals. Without them, who would run corporations?

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    Gender roles are becoming more and more nuanced and differentiated as time goes by. Especially in the West.

    There will always be a spot for alphas though.

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    Yes, even in a biological sense. An alpha male is more likely to achieve success, thus more likely to be able to properly care for a family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    Yes, even in a biological sense. An alpha male is more likely to achieve success, thus more likely to be able to properly care for a family.
    I don't know. In the wild - speaking about animals - alpha males tend to mate with an higher number of females and reproduce more. I don't think that this can be applied to nowadays' humans, so the natural selection argument towards the presence of alpha males and the like is something I don't find convincing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    I don't know. In the wild - speaking about animals - alpha males tend to mate with an higher number of females and reproduce more. I don't think that this can be applied to nowadays' humans, so the natural selection argument towards the presence of alpha males and the like is something I don't find convincing.
    Yes, but even today alpha males are significantly more likely to have sex, and they're much more likely to sleep with multiple different partners than non-alpha males.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    Yes, but even today alpha males are significantly more likely to have sex, and they're much more likely to sleep with multiple different partners than non-alpha males.
    It doesn't seem to be true from my perspective. Many of the people that fit the description of the first post tend also not be extremely social. When I look around, I see that the people that get laid the most to the largest number of partners are very extraverted and charming partygoers rather than competitive and driven guys.
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    An Alpha Male is one who can influence and lead other MALES. If he can do this, the women follow.

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