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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    I also find chess relatively predictable. It's a lot more limit bound - computers will dominate the game in the near future, and it may not be much farther before it is solved.
    Why would I play a computer in the first place? Where's the fun in that?
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    ... and computers do dominate the game already...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brendan View Post
    Why would I play a computer in the first place? Where's the fun in that?
    Fun? I thought this was about chess relating to life? You can spend time with your friends doing anything... so why chess?

    Quote Originally Posted by mippus View Post
    ... and computers do dominate the game already...
    The average computer doesn't beat professionals yet. Dominate, to me, means more than just proving that it is possible at the high end.

    But since it has been shown that the high end computers can, already, I don't think it has "endless" possibilities, as you put it. It's a matter of time before it is solved now, which kind of ruins the mystique of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    Board games like Go are the next generation of games, imo. And after that, I don't know (although I don't think Go can be solved through brute force, but... maybe quantum computing/etc will some day do it.)
    +1 for Go > chess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    The average computer doesn't beat professionals yet. Dominate, to me, means more than just proving that it is possible at the high end.

    But since it has been shown that the high end computers can, already, I don't think it has "endless" possibilities, as you put it. It's a matter of time before it is solved now, which kind of ruins the mystique of the game.
    But the average pc, running Junior, Fritz, Rybka or Hiarcs, or... beats most grandmasters. Check the SSDF rating list for this (The SSDF Rating List). This list is a computer only list, yes, but still a fair indication of computer strength...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mippus View Post
    But the average pc, running Junior, Fritz, Rybka or Hiarcs, or... beats most grandmasters. Check the SSDF rating list for this (The SSDF Rating List). This list is a computer only list, yes, but still a fair indication of computer strength...
    Interesting! I would have to agree then - computers do indeed dominate chess players now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mippus View Post
    What's with all this vagueness? Just give us your rating
    I don't have one! I had one on yahoo a few years ago, but I didn't play enough for it to mean anything. It's honestly one of the many things I'd rather be decent at with friends than worry myself about competing in.

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    They have dominated <2000 players like me for ages, but I still enjoy the game
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    Quote Originally Posted by mippus View Post
    They have dominated <2000 players like me for ages, but I still enjoy the game
    I know I was under 2000 too. And I'm out of practice. The only games I've played in a couple years have been with an ESFP, and it's something more akin to deer hunting than chess.

    Let's play sometime!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    I don't have one! I had one on yahoo a few years ago, but I didn't play enough for it to mean anything. It's honestly one of the many things I'd rather be decent at with friends than worry myself about competing in.
    What is wrong with competing in it?
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