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    If you're human you have choice.

    If you have choice you can choose your purpose.

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    Oh, I am down with that. Where do I sign up?
    Eh. It's a lot less exciting than it sounds. I don't make an active effort to do it, like I said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukepd View Post
    If you're human you have choice.

    If you have choice you can choose your purpose.
    If you choose your purpose, your purpose might be to show that people who try to choose their purpose fail.

    Further, you can choose things, but you will always pick what you were predetermined to pick because of who you are. If I pick to be a destroyer, I wasn't a blank slate before I picked it. I had reasons, and before I had those reasons I had other reasons. It's nothing you really choose, it just happens. You can tell yourself you chose it, though, if it makes you feel better about yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zago View Post
    If you choose your purpose, your purpose might be to show that people who try to choose their purpose fail.

    Further, you can choose things, but you will always pick what you were predetermined to pick because of who you are. If I pick to be a destroyer, I wasn't a blank slate before I picked it. I had reasons, and before I had those reasons I had other reasons. It's nothing you really choose, it just happens. You can tell yourself you chose it, though, if it makes you feel better about yourself.

    That somehow doesn't sound like an INTP speaking...at least not the INTP whose posts I was reading. Shouldn't all that be based solely on clear thinking rather than by 'chance'?
    All I know for sure is that I come from a long line of dead people

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEANO View Post
    That somehow doesn't sound like an INTP speaking...at least not the INTP whose posts I was reading. Shouldn't all that be based solely on clear thinking rather than by 'chance'?
    Seems like he's saying choice is an allusion, that everything is determined. You may think you have a choice, but an impartial observer who knows everything about you WILL be able to correctly predict the choice everytime, which means you never had a choice to begin with.



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    Quote Originally Posted by THEANO View Post
    That somehow doesn't sound like an INTP speaking...at least not the INTP whose posts I was reading. Shouldn't all that be based solely on clear thinking rather than by 'chance'?
    I've changed. Too much clear thinking is stupid. It's a lot less valuable than people think. There is nothing to really think about! What am I trying to defend/save myself from with all this thinking? What's the endpoint of it all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zago View Post
    I've changed. Too much clear thinking is stupid. It's a lot less valuable than people think. There is nothing to really think about! What am I trying to defend/save myself from with all this thinking? What's the endpoint of it all?
    I agree with you, but because I am brand new here and all this is still rather unfamiliar to me, I was basing my assumption of the INTP type on BW's description and by the example he is setting of himself
    All I know for sure is that I come from a long line of dead people

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    Ah. Who is BW?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zago View Post
    Ah. Who is BW?
    BlueWing...the person who is waging a one man war on all NF's
    All I know for sure is that I come from a long line of dead people

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEANO View Post
    BlueWing...the person who is waging a one man war on all NF's
    I wouldn't say it's a war. Just displaying how NF decision making doesn't have much weight behind it.



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