The "dumbing down" church thing is pretty typical. These arguments still occur in the church setting, in terms of how best to proselytize visitors and witness to the community.
I think the extreme that was described here is silly, but the question that needs to be addressed is important: How do you manage to provide a group of adults of very different spiritual maturities with a singular teaching that helps all of them?
I don't think you can. That is why you get some churches who decided to be "Seeker" churches... and everything is geared towards those with little knowledge of Christianity. And you get other churches where you can feel clueless because everything is high orthodoxy, ritual, and doctrine that makes no sense without prior knowledge and experience.
I think the extent of dumbing down as described here is just misguided -- I tend to be of the mind that the teacher should try to communicate with language that the listeners can understand but should still try to CHALLENGE people to rise to the occasion. You can't spoon-feed people to believe in and follow spiritual truth, they have to WANT it to some degree... so they need to be responsible enough to choose to listen and think about what is being said. Otherwise they won't last.
(This is why Jesus spoke in parables... so that he WOULDN'T be understood or considered except by people who WERE seriously interested in him. After his teaching about communion -- the eating of his blood and body -- many who were there were troubled and left.)
Children need to be children.
And parents need to be parents.
There's a benefit in being 20+ years older than your child. You're physically mature AND actually have a lot more experience. The child is still developing AND still needs to learn to control impulses.
Adults try to treat children like little adults. But they are not. And can't be given that degree of freedom and self-responsibility.
(But I guess that's because many adults are still emotionally little children.)
LOL, to save space they should just have a "SMOKING CHILDREN" section.Just as I can sit in a non-smoking section of a restaurant, I should be able to request a no-kids section where I won't have kids crawling under my table, intruding on private conversations, or spitting up where I have to watch.
(Where are those Marlboro baby avatars when I want one???)
(I just never expected the phrase "bratty little freaks" to come out of your mouth!):yim_rolling_on_the_
EDIT: RC, 12 July 2007, Posts in this thread split from the original Childfree thread.