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    There is no simple rule to translate MBTI to socionics types. For example, take the results of a study that asked a large number of socionists to take MBTT type descriptions and tell what socionics type they were describing:




    Most socionists picked INTJ to be the equivalent of socionics ESTp (SLE). Also a personal example, I would consider myself an xNTP in MBTT and eitehr ISTp (SLI) or ESTj (LSE) in socionics.

    Or differently put, basing socionics intertype relations on MBTI type is not really justified and what socionics says will most likely be wrong, one should find out their socionics type if they are going to apply aspects of socionics theory.

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    ESF relationship *feels the fear*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    Functions are silly.
    Can you expand, please? How do you explain the validity of MBTI without recourse to function theory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    ESF relationship *feels the fear*
    I hear ya!

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    I reckon I'd have a great relationship with an ENTP. It would be interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    Can you expand, please? How do you explain the validity of MBTI without recourse to function theory?
    It's complicated, but basically:

    It seems more likely to me that the descriptions of the dominant functions were written based on the individuals who were already categorized. Description of people who have been split up is "valid" whether or not you have some theory as to why they're the way they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    It's complicated, but basically:

    It seems more likely to me that the descriptions of the dominant functions were written based on the individuals who were already categorized. Description of people who have been split up is "valid" whether or not you have some theory as to why they're the way they are.
    That's not complicated.
    Without a why, the what is meaningless, to me at any rate.
    There has to be a why - so what is it?
    And what are your specific issues with function theory itself (how it was derived isn't relevant)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    That's not complicated.
    Without a why, the what is meaningless, to me at any rate.
    There has to be a why - so what is it?
    And what are your specific issues with function theory itself (how it was derived isn't relevant)?
    Can you cross ref. users with search terms? I honestly don't know, but if you can, do me and "function..."

    I see function theory as unnecessary conjecture. "Maybe this is going on!" And maybe not. Take MBTI function order and INTP and Ni, for example. Define Ni academically and I'm using that maybe eight hours a day. Define it based on "How INTJs think" and I never do it.

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    ^ sheesh! I don't wanna know THAT bad.

    Ok, think I see where you're coming from.

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    Yeah; I've never actually associated well with socionics at all, in terms of their way of typing. I came up as between INFp and INFj, but I didn't feel either described me as well as MBTI did, but INFp uses the same functions so I went in that direction. The relationship chart does work well with me with that change.

    But yeah, you'd have to actually test yourself to see what's "right" for you socionics; I just use the simple conversion because that's a lot quicker :B
    There are times it will be off, as I have said, but it's better than retaking another massive test and making your opposite do the same

    Jack Flak: your Te would describe how you think. Ni describes your primary method of information intake.

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