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I read this article and found it really insightful as to the fight we fight within. What we want vs what we despise in others and how what we want conflicts with what we despise in others because we wont allow ourselves to do what they do to get what we dont have.
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This brings to mind a memorable scene in Daphne duMaurier's book, "Jamaica Inn", where Mary finds herself grotesquely conflicted by the elegant powerful hands of a brutal land pirate (repelled) and the same hands of his horse thief brother (attracted).
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Key point summary:
(green - optional reading) (article jumps around what are, in my opinion, some seemingly unrelated points...) - Article written by Rebeca Eigen in the Indigo Sun 1999 issue and again in Conscious Living Magazine in 2000. (make your assumptions here). ----------------------- "Part 1" - Based on Jung's concept of "shadow" - "It is everything in us that is unconscious, repressed, undeveloped and denied." - "We all have a Shadow and a confrontation with the Shadow is essential for self awareness. We cannot learn about ourselves if we do not learn about our Shadow so therefore we are going to attract it through the mirrors of other people*." *in other words, you can learn about yours through interaction with other people. -Eigen states that the first (and she stresses necessary step) to being aware of your shadow is 'taking 100% responsibility for your life'. She goes on to say that this will be difficult, and "won't happen overnight." - Her rationale on the above bullet: "Being in the human experience, we have all had many painful, difficult experiences where it clearly looks like it is the other persons fault, or bad luck in life or whatever else we want to call it. So taking total responsibility for what appears to come to us is no easy task but it is well worth the effort because when we take responsibility for what happens to us, we can then learn and grow from our experiences and make new choices for ourselves." -Then she says some stuff I don't understand: I am very fond of this ancient axiom given to us by the alchemists of long ago . . . -------------------
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"Part 2"
After this intro piece, she gets into the practical part of uncovering your own shadow. - When you over-react emotionally to someone else (who "pushes your buttons" you are probably seeing a part of your own shadow. - "The reaction is usually extreme distaste as these characteristics . . . that we despise . . . in others are our own and they are usually operating outside of our awareness. They are in our unconscious and usually they will be the exact opposite of what we believe to be true about ourselves." -She makes this point, but I don't get it really: "Now a person carrying a light part of our Shadow we will be very drawn to, and may even fall in love with, and this is the ‘Gold’ part of our Shadow. So we can also project some of our very positive qualities when we meet someone we truly admire, but most of us have more trouble with the negative experiences as we encounter our Shadow."
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man...now I started this but don't want to finish it.
Ha just read the article. I guess my opinion on the article is: - It needs editing. - If you dig past the mumbo-jumbo surface, there are legit points. I like: - the part about taking responsibility (that's a good platform for growth) - the concept that if something "pushes your buttons" that means that it is actually a part of you. If something is a part of you (your brain), that means it can be activated and displayed as behavior. I like this point because it is congruent with modern research on the actual physical operation of the human brain (neuro-biology/psychology). (This is a complicated point to explain...) I don't like: "Jung believed that whatever we are highly identified with in our character, the opposite extreme will be in our unconscious. He called this the law of opposites. So unconsciously we will attract the parts of us that we actually badly need." I think Jung is sugar coating this one. It's a quaint idea, but I don't believe it. I think we just tend to think about the things that don't work/fit, and they by working through them we gain skill. I don't think attraction is involved. I think we just all have problems to deal with.
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I've read that before, I think. I wonder what qualities I have that reaction to?
Well, right off the bat: Treating other people like objects, believing that will and emotion are the basis of reality, the implication that there is a single path in life that everyone must follow, raw passion that refuses to be modified by reason or experience, indulgence in suffering of self or others, running roughshod over other people's idea of themselves to protect your own beliefs, treating everything superficially, and sacrificing your identity or values to make yourself appealing to others. Yep, that's what I see in others all the time... it's going to really hurt if I see all of this in myself. ![]() So I'm just going to DENY it. Yay denial! I feel so much better now.
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If we have lived our whole life with fighting and arguing, our shadow or what we repressed is the kindness. If we have tried our hole life to be kind we have repressed our anger or frustration. It is what we have pushed back, what we have ignored all our life. This is ying and yang. Shadow work is understanding what you have repressed for so long. I generally dont blame others, instead i figure out how to turn what happened into what I wanted or avoid it, instead of dealing with the frustration or anger I have repressed it to first try and understand it. This has caused me to think before I react, i learn how to use a situation to get what I want(this is my shadow) and still avoid certain feelings. I may hide things or not say things, I control what is out in the open and what is not. This is my shadow, and as much as I refuse to believe that I am not a controlling person, what I do will control people in a passive manner to get what I want. I control the situation but not in a outgoing manner. It is a form of manipulation instead of out right controlling a situation externally. This is part of my shadow, it is manipulative, but unless we recognize it we really cant work on learning how to work on it to find a good middle ground between externally controlling and internally controlling.
Shadow work is just seeing the bad along with the good. Like above we may despise people who are controlling and dont see that what we do is basically controlling, but in a different way. edit: yes recently I have noticed my shadow and I dont like it |
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The other thing is that you cant stop being in control. It is nature, but when it come to others its a natural balancing act and sometimes knowledge can really disrupt that balancing act and sometimes knowledge can really help it, so thats a balancing act too
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