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    captain steve williams Typh0n's Avatar
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    Default How do Fe valuers experience Fi and vice versa?

    Honest inquiry.

    Fe valuers (alpha and beta types) how do you experience Fi?

    Fi valuers (gamma and delta types), how do you experience Fe?

    Note you don't have to be an ethical type to asnwer - everyone values either Fe or Fi, even logical types.

    Edit: Since I've been asked, you can do a JCF analysis instead of socionics if thats more your thing.
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    captain steve williams Typh0n's Avatar
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    I'll go first.

    Fe is really unpleasant to me.

    It feels like turning feelings, which to me are deep and personal, and meant to be shared in intimacy with someone special, into some kind of cheery group sentiment. Alpha quadra Fe is particularly annoying (though not unbearable) because in groups of alphas you always have to be positive and cheery. I don't always want my feelings to be positive, barf. I prefer depth. As soon as you share deep feelings with alphas its like you're speaking another language than they are. I crave an Fi connection above all else. If I fall in love, I tend to forget about everything else and it makes me crazy. I relish that feeling of being in love. But IRL, I actually don't express much vulnerbality. Not because I don't want to, but because I don't know how. This little bit of self-revelation is actually me going out on a limb. On another note, my Fe role function shows itself in that I am often cheery and making jokes when I'm with people. I like to cheer them up, but it is not really Fe, because deep down I care about how people feel and if they feel good with me. Fe would care more about the cheery emotion as an object itself, and not because of how people feel inside. So I make jokes not so much for the group "atmosphere" (I don't get what that is anyways) but my jokes are aimed at whoever feels better because of them. Because I don't want anyone to feel shitty.
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    breaking out of my cocoon SearchingforPeace's Avatar
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    I really don't do socionics much, so I asked the OP if I could do a JCF according to SfP version. Here it goes.

    There are two distinct places in the world, Fe space and Fi space.

    Fi space was described to me by PB as the place inside Fi users, deep down, where feelings occur, invisible to the world. It is a bad paraphrase, so sorry, but it how I explain it for myself.

    Fe space, coined by me, is the emotional and ethical space between people, the realm of human interaction.

    Everyone has Fi space inside and everyone lives in Fe space, but Fi users primarily feel ethics, values, and such internally, while Fe users' Fi space is generally unconscious.

    A nice example of Fe space is driving on the freeway. There are rules(Te) governing how drivers are to operate their cars, but how they actually do it is in Fe space. The merging, the tailgating, the lane changing, etc. by the drivers is a Fe system in action.

    As Fe dom, I feel directly connected to the emotional state of people with which I interact. There is no self reflecting on observed emotional states of others to determine what I would feel if I were them. I just do. And I can push emotional states on others with out much effort, or even after at all

    From my understanding, again per PB, directly connecting to the emotional state of Fi users can feel like a violation of their Fi island. Of course, the Fi island is really a peninsula, but acknowledging that, accepting that Fi space is connected to Fe space, is difficult for FPs.

    To me, strong Fi feels like a giant pilar of light in the Fe space. It is beautiful and alluring. It pulls at me, against my conscious desires.

    I believe it does so because (following the 8 function model, in a way), the shadow of the dom is a strong pull, more so than the inferior. And I believe growth really is, if a person is willing to fit through the pain, seeking the shadow of the dom and developing it.

    A Fe dom can sit with their feelings and try to explore Fi space. Likewise, a Fi dom can open themselves to Fe space. Both will be painful.
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    And I am not a hedgehog......

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    Jesus said "Blessed are the peacemakers" not "blessed are the conflict avoiders.....

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    From my understanding, again per PB, directly connecting to the emotional state of Fi users can feel like a violation of their Fi island. Of course, the Fi island is really a peninsula, but acknowledging that, accepting that Fi space is connected to Fe space, is difficult for FPs.
    As a dominant Fi user, I don't want to be forced to feel my own feelings. Dominant Fe users want to feel things with you, their feelings and yours. If there might be anything sad in your life, some of them are determined to find out what it is. If that doesn't work, then they'll tell you about their sick or dead cats. I usually don't feel their feelings, but I have before. If I don't know the person well and/or don't want to, it makes me feel contaminated, confused and like I need a bath.

    @Typh0n I don't think this is what you wanted. Sorry!
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    I'm an INFP and my boyfriend is an ENFJ. He's the heart of every party and gets under people's skin really quickly. Wherever I take him, everybody just likes him. At first I thought that he was being fake with people. I thought that he was missing his own identity and therefore he could adapt to any group of people. Now I see that it's not true and that he very much has his own sense of who he is, it's just that he knows how to deal with people too well. So I learnt to actually love this, because I know that wherevere I take him, he'll be liked.
    There's one thing I can never get used to though... He always takes on the role a clown, the joker, the stand up comedian. He wants to entertain everyone and makes sure that everyone is having fun thanks to him. I mean... I know his intentions are pure, but sometimes I just wish he'd stay silent and stop attracting all the attention.
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