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    Post What's my type? LSI vs ILI? Beta vs Gamma?

    Hi, I'm recently started learning about socionics and I've been having trouble figuring out my type . I taken a ton of tests online and I've gotten either LSI and ILI for the most part. In terms of quadras, I find myself relating to Beta and Gamma depending on my mood. In MBTI I prefer INTJ and my enneagram type is 3w4 so/sp, 358 tritype. People have told me that INTJ translates to ILI, while others have told me that types don't translate well from system to system, because of the functions have different definitions. I would really appreciate it if you guys can give me your thoughts on what my type is, along with the examples of how I used certain functions in this questionnaire. Thanks !

    Personal concepts
    1. What is beauty? What is love?
    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Love is a deep attachment to any person or object.

    2. What are your most important values?
    Honesty, being inclusive, accepting, forethought, respectful, not being a bigot,making decisions while taking other people into account, consensus, and loyalty to those that you care about.

    3. Do you have any sort of spiritual/religious beliefs, and why do you hold (or don't) those beliefs in the first place?
    I don’t personally subscribe to any spiritual belief, but in my everyday life I behave more as a stoic. There is no rational basis for believing in spiritual/religious beliefs, so I choose not to subscribe to it.

    4. Opinion on war and militaries? What is power to you?
    War occurs when there two nation states cannot resolve disputes through diplomacy. It should comply with international law and there should be a consensus between states in UN. War is incredibly disastrous for both parties involved and it comes at the cost of countless of lives unnecessarily. While war can be extremely disastrous, it sometimes necessary and justified. It can be justified in cases of self-defense from an aggressive state or humanitarian aid, such as a genocide. Likewise, militaries are a necessary evil as a means of self-defense and diplomacy. Militaries should be used primarily as a deterrent and play a secondary role to diplomacy/consensus. Power is anything that gives you the means of influencing people or institutions in your favor.

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    5. What have you had long conversations about? What are your interests? Why?
    Politics is a personal hobby of mine. I can have extended conversations about it for hours at a time. I love politics mainly because of the different power dynamics that involved in it. Also, a part of me has always been interested in politics--that's the part of me that wants to save the world. I believe that some of the most daunting challenges in the world today--poverty, disease, war--can be solved if people can put aside their petty differences and preconceived notions and do what they know to be right for the world/country. I’m also interested in history, philosophy, science, dancing, music, and coding.

    6. Interested in health/medicine as a conversation topic? Are you focused on your body?
    While I don't for the most part care about body, I am extremely self conscious about my appearance and I always try to look my best. I am also interested in and use recreational drugs.
    7. What do you think of daily chores?
    I cannot stand daily chores, but they are a necessity.

    8. Books or films you liked? Recently read/watched or otherwise. Examples welcome.
    Books - The Prince, 1984, The Art of War, The Republic, The Alchemist, A Song of Ice and Fire, Harry Potter, Brave New World, 48 Laws of Power, Uncle Tom’s Cabin, Lord of the Rings, The Far Seer, Kissinger The Idealist, Catcher in the Rye, The Giver, Fahrenheit 451, Rules for Radicals, Catch-22, The Anthem, Walden, Civil Disobedience, Crime and Punishment, Brothers of Karimazov,and Under the Dome.

    Films – The Godfather, The Christopher Nolan Batman trilogy, The Matrix, Ghost in the shell, Goodfellas, Citizens Kane, Malcolm X, Schindler’s List, Lord of the Rings, Pulp Fiction, Inception, Forest Gump, Harry Potter, Star Wars, Gangs of New York, Taxi Driver, I am Legend, Glory, Goodwill Hunting, John Wick, Lincoln, Saw, American Gangster, 12 years a Slave, Titanic, Big, and Star Trek.

    9. What has made you cry? What has made you smile? Why?
    I almost never cry, but I do get teary eyed when I watch a heartbreaking documentary of poverty or war crimes. A clever sarcastic joke will always make me laugh.

    10. Where do you feel: at one with the environment/a sense of belonging?
    Anywhere where I can discuss topics that I am interested in and feel included.

    Evaluation & Behavior
    11. What have people seen as your weaknesses? What do you dislike about yourself?
    Being arrogant, argumentative, condescending towards people, not being able to relax, being vulnerable, power hungry, lack of emotional awareness at times, antisocial at times as well.

    12. What have people seen as your strengths? What do you like about yourself?
    Intelligence, cleverness, thinking before acting, ambitious, charming when I want to be, confident, tough-minded, protective, analytical, inclusive, loyal person.

    13. In what areas of your life would you like help?
    Opening up to people emotionally and vulnerable with them. I've been told that at times I can be extremely cold and unapproachable. Also, to understand myself better as a person and who I am.

    14. Ever feel stuck in a rut? If yes, describe the causes and your reaction to it.
    Whenever I can’t reach my goals, it causes me to be critical of myself. I also start doubting myself, which causes me feel ashamed and vulnerable. It causes me to become depressive and cynical.

    People & Interactions
    15. What qualities do you most like and dislike in other people? What types do you get along with? Overly emotional people, stupidity, willful ignorance, hate, bigotry, tribalism, people who don’t think about how their actions will affect others or the future, zealousness, lack of loyalty, and weakness.

    16. How do you feel about romance/sex? What qualities do you want in a partner?
    I think its overrated to some extent, but it’s a wonderful feeling and experience that you share with someone. I usually look for someone who is thoughtful, funny, sarcastic, clever, good looking, ready to challenge me, and someone you I can feel completely vulnerable with.

    17. If you were to raise a child, what would be your main concerns, what measures would you take, and why? I would want my child to have a proper education and also develop into healthy self esteem. I would also worry about demanding too much perfection from my child. Also, get the balance between being overly strict and giving them enough freedom to fully express themselves.

    18. A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward and outward reaction?
    Inward I think that they are either an idiot or just misguided. Outward, I try to figure out why they believe what they believe by debating them.

    19. Describe your relationship to society. How do you see people as a whole? What do you consider a prevalent social problem? Name one.
    Until recently, I held a very cynical outlook on humanity and even considered myself a nihilist of some sort. However, I have faith in humanity to make the necessary progress to ensure our survival. I truly believe that most people are good and well intentioned in most cases, even when it doesn’t seem that way. While I still hold that view, I also think most people are too naïve, emotional, and irrational in most cases. Also, people don’t take the time to understand what’s going on and latch onto some demigod who makes all kind of promises. A prevalent social problem is still the hate that we have in the world for each other. People think way too much in terms of tribalism.

    20. How do you choose your friends and how do you behave around them?
    My friends are chosen based on similar interest and ability to have conversations beyond superficial things. Also, someone that I can be brutally honest with and vice-versa. Even with my friends though, I feel as if I can never fully open up emotionally to them, so I feel as though a part of me is always missing. But I'm usually much more blunt, sarcastic, and to the point with my friends.

    21. How do you behave around strangers?
    I try to be extremely polite and accommodating on the outwardly. I also try to be more extroverted than I usually am. Inwardly however, I judge people on their comments, politeness, intelligence, beliefs, actions for the most part.

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    Not sure. Try this.Tests

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    Quote Originally Posted by erg View Post
    Not sure. Try this.Tests
    I got LSI-Ti on the original test and ILI-Te on the extended test. Most of the english tests that I've taken have given me LSI or ILI. However, when I take the Russian tests, I almost always get LSI-Ti.

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    Do you relate more to the gamma quadra or the beta quadra?

    Do you relate more to Ip temperament or Ij temperament?

    Do you enjoy imaginative stuff such as anime?

    Do you seek somebody who is willfull and applies pressure on you to do things?

    Are you okay with having multiple choices or do you prefer a single path?

    Check for answers here. This could also help: this is an LSI-Ti , and this is an ILI-Te .
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    @ergo

    Quote Originally Posted by erg View Post
    Do you relate more to the gamma quadra or the beta quadra?

    Do you relate more to Ip temperament or Ij temperament?

    Do you enjoy imaginative stuff such as anime?

    Do you seek somebody who is willfull and applies pressure on you to do things?

    Are you okay with having multiple choices or do you prefer a single path?

    Check for answers here. This could also help: this is an LSI-Ti , and this is an ILI-Te .
    I relate more to the Beta quadra in terms of the the function blocks and the group behavior. I don't if its because I'm going through depression right now or that I'm introverted, but I don't relate to the romance style of the Beta quadra.

    As for the temperaments, IXXj seems to fit me more,but IXXp is a close second.

    I love anime lol, especially shows like Death Note, Monster, Naruto, Code Geass. I tend to find myself relating to character archetypes like Light Yagami, Lelouche,Sasuke. Any anime or show that includes power dynamics, politics, ideological conflicts tend to grab my attention.

    At times yes, but its generally someone who is extroverted to bring me out of my shell. But I need someone that can help me open up emotionally and create an emotional atmosphere, because I usually can't do that. At the same time I wouldn't mind an dominant Se user as well, but Fe is something that I seek and try to actively use in my everyday life.

    Multiple choices creates uncertainty for me and I dislike that because I have no control over what going to happen, which makes me impatient/angry. I usually try to choose the most optimal path, instead of wasting my time

    This one is really tough, but I'll probably have to go with LSI-TI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saiko124 View Post
    I relate more to the Beta quadra in terms of the the function blocks and the group behavior.
    I think this is important; one of the things that helped me distinguish between EIE and LIE (preference for Fi over Fe in myself) was the quadra behaviors.

    I don't if its because I'm going through depression right now or that I'm introverted, but I don't relate to the romance style of the Beta quadra.
    You mean the victim/aggressor?

    As for the temperaments, IXXj seems to fit me more,but IXXp is a close second.
    Temperaments are really about behaviors though. Behaviors aeren't a good way to measure type, because different types can have the same behaviors.

    I love anime lol, especially shows like Death Note, Monster, Naruto, Code Geass. I tend to find myself relating to character archetypes like Light Yagami, Lelouche,Sasuke. Any anime or show that includes power dynamics, politics, ideological conflicts tend to grab my attention.
    While I don't see a connection between liking anime and type, the type of story you describe yourself as liking here seems very beta.

    At times yes, but its generally someone who is extroverted to bring me out of my shell. But I need someone that can help me open up emotionally and create an emotional atmosphere, because I usually can't do that. At the same time I wouldn't mind an dominant Se user as well, but Fe is something that I seek and try to actively use in my everyday life.
    This doesn't sound ILI; they hate Fe. Seeking an emotional atmosphere seems very Ti-valueing.

    Multiple choices creates uncertainty for me and I dislike that because I have no control over what going to happen, which makes me impatient/angry. I usually try to choose the most optimal path, instead of wasting my time
    This is a total Ne vulnerable response! An ILI would be much more fatalistic, would not see themselves as making choices, but rather, they always know what's going to happen in advance so what choice is there to make?

    This one is really tough, but I'll probably have to go with LSI-TI
    Actually, to me it seems pretty clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Typh0n View Post
    I think this is important; one of the things that helped me distinguish between EIE and LIE (preference for Fi over Fe in myself) was the quadra behaviors. You mean the victim/aggressor? Temperaments are really about behaviors though. Behaviors aeren't a good way to measure type, because different types can have the same behaviors. While I don't see a connection between liking anime and type, the type of story you describe yourself as liking here seems very beta. This doesn't sound ILI; they hate Fe. Seeking an emotional atmosphere seems very Ti-valueing. This is a total Ne vulnerable response! An ILI would be much more fatalistic, would not see themselves as making choices, but rather, they always know what's going to happen in advance so what choice is there to make? Actually, to me it seems pretty clear.
    Exactly, I'm not the type of person to be that way. Though thinking back I usually do take charge in my relationships, but not forceful way though. It could be because I am cautious and not trying to offend someone in the early stages.

    Do you think ne being LSI changes my mbti type, or is there no correlations between the two systems. Thanks 😁!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saiko124 View Post

    Do you think ne being LSI changes my mbti type, or is there no correlations between the two systems. Thanks 😁!
    Probably it doesn't change it. I wouldn't say zero correlations, but they are not the same system either.

    If you are going more by behaviors to determine your MBTI, and more by cognition to determine your socionics, then you can see how they are not the same. If you go by cognitive functions in MBTI, then I'd say that can be a bit confusing, but remember the functions are not described the same.

    As you know, there are varying opinions on this question, and this is just mine. I encourage you to make up your own mind.

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