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    Quote Originally Posted by Oaky View Post
    Yes, I don't mind providing thought on this.

    I imagine when we learn about MBTI and socionics we tend to like to cross-map the two in the thought that the types are quite similar either in the dichotomy lettering or in the function order however there are fundamendal differences in the two.

    Unlike socionics, MBTI has multiple interpretations by various researchers into the topic. David Keirsey had become one of the more popular psychologists and so a great deal of what MBTI is shown to the world is often by Keirsey's interpretations which are often stereotypical and out of place.

    Among the one's I believe is most accurate, Lenore Thompson's view was the best, and this is because each of the functions in the dichotomy in either one of the processes of perceiving or judging, map with each other in a symmetrical manner that organically testifies a logical formation of how the elements of the functions themselves. Like how Fi -> Ti moves in a way where feeling is subjective towards logic is subjective. Fi - Fe would be a move from Feeling is subjective to Feeling is objective. And this mapping can be defined to properly understand how one conceptually moves from a subjective feeling to subjective thinking stance, or subjective feeling to objective feeling stance.

    Ironically the16types, a socionics forum, has more data about MBTI then we do.

    Taken from Lenore Thomson's MBTI Wiki Explanation of Functions



    Now socionics is different in that it tries to minimise any different interpretations of the functions. The orders of the functions are based on attitudes towards them and how we use them with those attitudes.

    This is model A in socionics



    Each type has an order of the functions that are within each block and hold a different attitude towards them.

    Socionics defines the functions differently and has a little more of a social perspective than a thought process perspective which gives it rise to relationship dynamics and the like.

    Based on Lenore Thompson's descriptions I am an NiTe - INTJ, based on socionics descriptions I am an SiTe - SLI-ISTp.

    In a way, it is like saying the colour that defines me is 'blue' but the element that defines me is 'earth'. Some people may crossmap blue to water, but they're not the same.

    Interesting to contrast Model A in socionics with the MBTI Type indicator chart (found on the wiki page for mbti type indicator)...





    Looking at the two charts it is very easy to see the complications in transferring over types... MBTI puts a focus on an individuals behaviours totalling their type whereas socionics (model a) focusses on the cognitive functions and their relationships to each other. It is little wonder they are so difficult to correspond. Of course you can find type descriptions in socionics but the models tend to be focussed on function relationships rather than how each is displayed in behaviours.
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    I'll just say two things.

    1) I, too, am an INTJ, INTp, Ni-Te, and the descriptions seem to fit me quite well.

    2) I appreciate hearing how people hold the two systems and how they may coordinate.

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    I'm a strong Gamma Se-Fi, and in Jung I'm probably an Fi dom. The self appointed genius Simulated World thinks I'm ESFP, but the son of David Kersey can only say I'm SP, and I have even been called ISTP, because of my abrasive logic, and yes she's older than me if you wonder if it's about age.

    Maybe I am ESFP. THAT'S WHY I LOVE 80S MUSIC. But hate everything now. Maybe my open perception was completely childhood, and I only became serious with age, and stereotypes are stupid because I'm very intellectual, but Seasons Change.

    I just was really shallow until I was 14. Obviously that's life experience and not personality type. OR I love my 80S cause didn't have to think then!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oaky View Post
    Unlike socionics, MBTI has multiple interpretations by various researchers into the topic.
    A bit of correction, I'm not sure where you got the impression from that socionics has only one interpretation floating around. It has a lot of them... model A, B, G... whatever else.


    Among the one's I believe is most accurate, Lenore Thompson's view was the best, and this is because each of the functions in the dichotomy in either one of the processes of perceiving or judging, map with each other in a symmetrical manner that organically testifies a logical formation of how the elements of the functions themselves.
    Si was still a bit out of place with Lenore's version... still too Judging.


    Based on Lenore Thompson's descriptions I am an NiTe - INTJ, based on socionics descriptions I am an SiTe - SLI-ISTp.
    What is it in Socionics Ni that you do not relate to while you do relate to Lenore Thomson's Ni? Out of curiosity.


    Quote Originally Posted by HelenOfTroy View Post
    Interesting to contrast Model A in socionics with the MBTI Type indicator chart (found on the wiki page for mbti type indicator)...
    Ha ha the former seems so much more complex of a model there. (It isn't too complex either, tho').

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    Quote Originally Posted by existence View Post
    A bit of correction, I'm not sure where you got the impression from that socionics has only one interpretation floating around. It has a lot of them... model A, B, G... whatever else.
    I suppose there's a slight correction in thought. Yes, there is more than one model. However socionics' interpretations are also labelled and structured in the manner that they hold. MBTI on the other hand, fades far too many of the crossovers.
    Si was still a bit out of place with Lenore's version... still too Judging.
    And this is it. Nevermind the definition itself, Lenore's version has, or is closest to, a direct symmetrical formation of the mental processes of the types in it. With that, it is very possible to mentally empathise the process of Si to Ni by changing only one clear boundary of the two defined structures in the function itself. And that is the definition of intuition and its perceivable changes towards sensing as an opposing dichotomy of perceptive thought while the other, unchanged, is the subjectivity of those functions defined by one's very own personal experience of the functions, which dichotomises to the objective experience of the extraverted counterparts.
    What is it in Socionics Ni that you do not relate to while you do relate to Lenore Thomson's Ni? Out of curiosity.
    I'm quite curious about this also but unfortunately socionics scarcely defines a thought process over a focus, philosophy and behaviour of Ni users. And with this I cannot reply in more detail. I'm currently outside in an MBTI meetup with a coup d'etat of socionics revolutionaries. Socionics people are more well educated on socionics theory, but not so much about MBTI, and the MBTI people are... well... almost hurtfully stereotypical and fairly simple-minded. Either way, I'm wondering how this meetup will end up at when the biases appear.

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    Socionics and MBTI share overlaps, but they are different enough that a significant minority of people will have differing types between the theories. What it truly comes down to is how each theory deals with the functions. While function definition between them is similar, it's really how they are pieced together that creates the difference.

    I'm an ENFJ, but in socionics I am ESTp which seems like an odd/impossible combination. When the functions are looked at on the surface, it would seem like EIE would be the best fit for me. However, when the functions are put in their blocks, and fit to how each block work and doesn't, it becomes clear that SLE fits better than EIE does, and is ultimately my sociotype.

    I've noticed that individuals who only weakly identify with their MBTI type, tend to have a different sociotype. Where as if there is strong identification, the types tend to be the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    Socionics and MBTI share overlaps, but they are different enough that a significant minority of people will have differing types between the theories. What it truly comes down to is how each theory deals with the functions. While function definition between them is similar, it's really how they are pieced together that creates the difference.

    I'm an ENFJ, but in socionics I am ESTp which seems like an odd/impossible combination. When the functions are looked at on the surface, it would seem like EIE would be the best fit for me. However, when the functions are put in their blocks, and fit to how each block work and doesn't, it becomes clear that SLE fits better than EIE does, and is ultimately my sociotype.

    I've noticed that individuals who only weakly identify with their MBTI type, tend to have a different sociotype. Where as if there is strong identification, the types tend to be the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inis Mona View Post
    Are you sure you're not just dual seeking?
    Well I used to type as LSI a while ago, so it's not the first time I've heard this.

    If I try to remain as objective as possible, nothing fits super well in socionics for me. I am closer to SLE than I am to EIE, but it's like a 55:45 split and is rather slight. Socionics is the theory I pay attention to the least because of it.
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    I'm ESFP in MBTI but IEE/ENFp in Socionics. But that is because in Socionics I have no grasp of the physical impact on the physical world and the use of force and power and stuff like that ... I do not have that forcefulness or presence or immediacy of the Se ego. That kind of forcefulness coming from other people irritates me to the point I've considered Se PoLR/EII. MBTI Se is more cerebral, for lack of a better word, and is more analogous to Ne as an extraverted perceiving function.

    So yes, you can have a different type, because the functions/IEs are described differently.
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    Yes, it's normal. The functions are different (though the T* and N* seem to have a lot of overlap). It's like how dogs and foxes are different. They have the same common ancestor and are very similar and in the same family, but different animals all together.

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