Interesting to contrast Model A in socionics with the MBTI Type indicator chart (found on the wiki page for mbti type indicator)...
Looking at the two charts it is very easy to see the complications in transferring over types... MBTI puts a focus on an individuals behaviours totalling their type whereas socionics (model a) focusses on the cognitive functions and their relationships to each other. It is little wonder they are so difficult to correspond. Of course you can find type descriptions in socionics but the models tend to be focussed on function relationships rather than how each is displayed in behaviours.
01-30-2016, 10:05 AM #61"We knew he was someone who had a tragic flaw, that's where his greatness came from"
01-31-2016, 05:02 PM #62
I'll just say two things.
1) I, too, am an INTJ, INTp, Ni-Te, and the descriptions seem to fit me quite well.
2) I appreciate hearing how people hold the two systems and how they may coordinate.
02-01-2016, 01:07 AM #63
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I'm a strong Gamma Se-Fi, and in Jung I'm probably an Fi dom. The self appointed genius Simulated World thinks I'm ESFP, but the son of David Kersey can only say I'm SP, and I have even been called ISTP, because of my abrasive logic, and yes she's older than me if you wonder if it's about age.
Maybe I am ESFP. THAT'S WHY I LOVE 80S MUSIC. But hate everything now. Maybe my open perception was completely childhood, and I only became serious with age, and stereotypes are stupid because I'm very intellectual, but Seasons Change.
I just was really shallow until I was 14. Obviously that's life experience and not personality type. OR I love my 80S cause didn't have to think then!
02-08-2016, 08:26 PM #64
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Among the one's I believe is most accurate, Lenore Thompson's view was the best, and this is because each of the functions in the dichotomy in either one of the processes of perceiving or judging, map with each other in a symmetrical manner that organically testifies a logical formation of how the elements of the functions themselves.
Based on Lenore Thompson's descriptions I am an NiTe - INTJ, based on socionics descriptions I am an SiTe - SLI-ISTp.
02-09-2016, 01:11 PM #65
Si was still a bit out of place with Lenore's version... still too Judging.
What is it in Socionics Ni that you do not relate to while you do relate to Lenore Thomson's Ni? Out of curiosity.
02-09-2016, 03:40 PM #66
Socionics and MBTI share overlaps, but they are different enough that a significant minority of people will have differing types between the theories. What it truly comes down to is how each theory deals with the functions. While function definition between them is similar, it's really how they are pieced together that creates the difference.
I'm an ENFJ, but in socionics I am ESTp which seems like an odd/impossible combination. When the functions are looked at on the surface, it would seem like EIE would be the best fit for me. However, when the functions are put in their blocks, and fit to how each block work and doesn't, it becomes clear that SLE fits better than EIE does, and is ultimately my sociotype.
I've noticed that individuals who only weakly identify with their MBTI type, tend to have a different sociotype. Where as if there is strong identification, the types tend to be the same.
02-10-2016, 11:58 AM #67
02-10-2016, 12:08 PM #68
If I try to remain as objective as possible, nothing fits super well in socionics for me. I am closer to SLE than I am to EIE, but it's like a 55:45 split and is rather slight. Socionics is the theory I pay attention to the least because of it.
02-14-2016, 01:45 PM #69
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I'm ESFP in MBTI but IEE/ENFp in Socionics. But that is because in Socionics I have no grasp of the physical impact on the physical world and the use of force and power and stuff like that ... I do not have that forcefulness or presence or immediacy of the Se ego. That kind of forcefulness coming from other people irritates me to the point I've considered Se PoLR/EII. MBTI Se is more cerebral, for lack of a better word, and is more analogous to Ne as an extraverted perceiving function.
So yes, you can have a different type, because the functions/IEs are described differently.Strychnine is all-natural,
So strychnine is all good.
It's Godly and righteous,
So eat it, you should.
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02-20-2016, 07:34 PM #70
Yes, it's normal. The functions are different (though the T* and N* seem to have a lot of overlap). It's like how dogs and foxes are different. They have the same common ancestor and are very similar and in the same family, but different animals all together.
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