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    Default Can socionics and MBTI not match

    Is it possible for that to happen or does it mean I'm doing something wrong?


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    You're doing something wrong. Functions are functions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    You're doing something wrong. Functions are functions.
    But socionics is just two functions so theoretically tertiary and inferior can be different than MBTI right? Or is that not true?

    Also why do I see INTJs with ILE and LIE socionics?


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    Quote Originally Posted by PocketFullOf View Post
    Also why do I see INTJs with ILE and LIE socionics?
    Because they're typed wrong.
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    Okay, sorry this thread can be closed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PocketFullOf View Post
    But socionics is just two functions so theoretically tertiary and inferior can be different than MBTI right? Or is that not true?

    Also why do I see INTJs with ILE and LIE socionics?
    Socionics is emphatically not "just two functions." I think, in fact, it has a far more sophisticated lens on the functions than MBTI (well, there are some JCF theorists who have done the same thing...ish, but the information is not uniform or put together in one place) ... anyway, if you want to read more (a lot more!) about it, you can check out Model A.

    As for whether or not JCF and socionics functions (more specifically IMs - information elements) are the same, people disagree on that stuff. Some people believe you can be one type in MBTO and another in socionics. Others don't.

    I lean more toward the latter category but not entirely sure yet. Some of the functions do seem very differently described to me, even though they both use Jung as the common source.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PocketFullOf View Post
    Is it possible for that to happen or does it mean I'm doing something wrong?
    It happens all the time. You're not doing anything wrong.
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    The difference lies in incompatible goals. MBTI is psychology/self-help. Socionics is sociology a diagnostic tool based (unusually) on holistic logic. One wants to help break you out of your box, the other needs you to be in one.
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    Yes, but as Legion said "Functions are functions". They share the same underlying Jungian functions, so when people decide they have different functions in each one, it's theoretically sketch.

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    The statement: "Functions are functions" does not hold true if function-attitudes are defined differently using different models.
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