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    Default Socionics: Examples of INFj/EII Type

    Post your examples of EIIs, "Dostoevsky". If possible mention their subtype and enneagram.


    Olga Kurylenko Ne-INFj
    picures http://goo.gl/8mvbj5

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHySzx8bxUM



    Mia Wasikowska Ne-INFj
    pictures http://goo.gl/3zphYp

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be7vsqMbYMo



    Connie Chung Ne-INFj
    pictures http://goo.gl/Nq5vuD




    Holliday Grainger Ne-INFj
    pictures http://goo.gl/cCA4au

    Last edited by sulfit; 02-05-2014 at 05:29 PM.

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    Hmmm... maybe I'm not EII...

    I just don't get socionics!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21% View Post
    Hmmm... maybe I'm not EII...

    I just don't get socionics!
    Inb4 you're INFp.

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    Some myers-briggs types seem to be split among multiple Socionics types, as opposed to having one directly correlated type; for example, SEI, ESI and SLI for ISFP; SEE, IEE and ESE for ESFP; IEE and EIE for ENFP, etc.

    In the case of (myers-briggs) INFJs, I've seen them typed as IEI, EII, and even EIE in some cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stansmith View Post
    and even some as ENFj.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nights and Days View Post
    Inb4 you're INFp.
    The problem is I don't identify with that either. From all the descriptions I identify most with EII, but still it's far from a good fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21% View Post
    The problem is I don't identify with that either. From all the descriptions I identify most with EII, but still it's far from a good fit.
    My examples were all of Ne-INFjs. I've dated a girl like the women in these videos before and I'm confident of her and them being intuitive "Dostoevsky" in Socionics (she was INFP in MBTI). The ethical subtype of INFj sounds different from descriptions. I haven't posted any examples of it not being confident that I've spotted them before. If you don't identify with the videos it could be that your subtype is different, Fi-INFj, or may be you did get your type wrong. Many MBTI INFJs become INFps in Socionics.

    Quote Originally Posted by 21% View Post
    Hmmm... maybe I'm not EII...

    I just don't get socionics!
    Socionics is very similar to MBTI, but the criteria for figuring out your type is more specific. If you only read type desriptions, you will see yourself in several of them and won't be able to pick one out. A better way to approach it is to read through definitions of information elements and think about which elements you associate with and see in your own thinking. This will make it clearer to you which elements you value, and from there you can figure out your type. You can also read through these type discussions.

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    @sulfit Thanks! The information elements page and the stickied post was really helpful. I still identify with socionics Ne and Fi the most. Maybe Fi-INFj is the closest so far. I'll base my research on that and see how it goes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21% View Post
    @<a href="http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/member.php?u=10791" target="_blank">sulfit</a> Thanks! The information elements page and the stickied post was really helpful. I still identify with socionics Ne and Fi the most. Maybe Fi-INFj is the closest so far. I'll base my research on that and see how it goes!
    Don't know if you are still around... I identify more with EII INFj too...

    People, could you please check this video and speculate on their mbti type as we'll as socionics type?



    Edit: Corrected video
    Last edited by yeghor; 04-26-2014 at 08:30 AM. Reason: Corrected video

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    Don't know if you are still around... I identify more with EII INFj too...

    People, could you please check this video and speculate on their mbti type as we'll as socionics type?



    Edit: Corrected video

    Identified with the INFJ (IEI) in so many aspects (and fell in love by that smile).
    Note that at 7:35 she says that "Yeah, and I basically abhor extroverted sensing in other people" but it didn't come from the heart - it rather sounded rehearsed, like something she was supposed to mention.

    From another thread (sorry I don't know how to do this technically):

    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    Conduct all the polls:

    For those who score INFj as an INFJ, on a scale of 1 to 5 (please use as much self-awareness as possible, introspect like hell for accuracy, 5 being extremely accurate), how much do you relate to this?

    Inferiority complex surrounding asserting oneself or asserting ones' dominance over others. The individual extremely dislikes overly aggressive people but cannot voice any opinion concerning aggressive people due to fear of being a new target for others' assertive nature. Fears being criticized for lack of self-assertion, as this is perceived as one's main flaw as an individual, aggressive, domineering nature seen as somewhat evil and patronizing (yet also somewhat perceived as admirable with a twinge of envy). Intolerant of conflict, disliking to take place in any conflict due not because it disturbs the peace but because one cannot take a strong stance against another without ultimately losing somehow. Wants badly to self-assert themselves, but any attempts at doing so ultimately fail, always.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    Sorry to butt in again, but I would like to share that the inferiority complex description describes Se PoLR in Socionics.

    If you ranked it less than a 3, you probably aren't an INFj but test as one through Socionics's dichotomies. (Se PoLR is for INxjs)

    If you ranked it above 3, you probably are an INFj and do identify with Se PoLR.

    Also, theoretically, MBTI INFJs should be INFps in Socionics due to a variety of factors, such as the fact that Se is not a blindspot nor loathed (as seen in Se PoLR) for neither the INFJ nor the INFp. The inferior function of the INFJ and the Suggestive Function of the INFp is cherished, in a way, something that is wanted (anima/animus for JCF, dual for Socionics) to complete the self due to the inferior function's empowerment of the dominant function when used wisely and positively.
    Now, I ranked it 4 or 5, am certain that I'm an INFJ but also identify a little bit better with the INFj than the INFp description:


    Quote Originally Posted by Geonat View Post
    Your Sociotype: EII-1Ne (INFj)

    Brief Description of the EII

    Using introverted feeling as her base function and extroverted intuition as her creative, the EII is adept at understanding people's internal drive and motivation. She often acts reserved, respectful, and polite around others she does not know well but will eventually open up more. She implicitly trusts her intuition when judging someone, and this intuition serves her well at grasping more abstract concepts. EIIs need to constantly set new goals for themselves and they care deeply about meeting these goals. However it should be noted that these goals are very personal, and she places less weight on the conventional achievements that society values, so often any correlation is largely coincidental. At her best, the EII is known for respecting other people's beliefs and values while also being an overachiever at school and work; at her worst, the EII's compassion and empathy can cause her undue harm when the people she cares about are suffering. Overall, the EII cares about diligence, meeting one's individuals goals, and respecting others; she distates behavior that is overtly loud, abrasive, or aggressive.
    Note the last sentence. Now, is she an INFp (=IEI) or an INFj (EII)? Because whatever she is, I am.
    The only simple way I can reconcile this without having to accept the for the moment unacceptable notion of being both INFJ and INFj, is that I answered "wrong" or "didn't introspect as hell" when answering the inferiority question above.

    My brain hurts.

    Edit: This reminds me of non-orthogonal bases. The different independent dimensions haven't been properly distangled by the chosen basis. They might not even span the space sufficiently. Perhaps Big five is better. But it is so boring and sterile and doesn't explain "how", just "that". MBTI at least has some structure to follow. Of course next step is to correlate this to physics, that hopefully will answer the third question, "why" on a fundamental level. Something for the end of next century perhaps.
    Last edited by Geonat; 05-08-2014 at 02:07 PM. Reason: free association

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