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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    My video can be found here.

    Have at it.
    Thankyou @EJCC

    Your method of delivery is focused and to the point. The speech is informative but hard, indicating a Firm communicator (4D Te). At the same time you are confidently looking at the camera, there is no sign of physical awkwardness but a strong, resolute posture with an impatient energy, indicative of Tough movement (4D Se).

    You regularly mention your tendency to be blunt and direct, preferring environments where this ability is encouraged and often feeling that you lack in interpersonal sensitivity. This is expected in a logical type that is weak in Ethics.

    You enjoy being busy, having done a double major in your degree and continuing in being a professional working woman. You are also seen as a bit meddlesome and perhaps pushy, trying to affect the working of people around you. This would be indicative of the Linear-Assertive EJ temperament. Combined with being Logical we know that you must be a Te-lead. Indeed you talk about providing 'common sense' to others, seeing the problem and identifying the practical steps by which that problem can be fixed and tending to see people as 'Irrational and Stupid' who don't meet your Te expectations. Your work also involves the use of data and statistics, being a good outlet for your natural strengths.

    Despite this business, you mention how you like your job as it allows you some relaxation. You say that you feel that you have earned the right to rest which is shows a valued Si beneath a busy EJ exterior. Unlike LIE types who see relaxation as a wasteful triviality, the Sensory equivalent likes to earn rest through hard work seeing it as both necessary and enjoyable once productive needs have been met. Furthermore, you give that appearance to others of perfection, seemingly having all your stuff together, indicating good management of the Si day to day needs.

    Finally, your ideal environment is one that wants to get away from the hustle and bustle, drama and displays of power/wealth seen in a rather Beta environment (You don't value Se aggression or Fe emotionality). Instead, you want to move to the mountains, indicating the Delta desire to get away from group status quo for a more relaxed individualism.

    Overall, I am very confident in saying you are an LSE-ESTj in Socionics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    Uhm, doesn't the IEE ever feel they still want to go on if there's such obstacles?
    If it's very important to an IEE they might try, but the IEE's willpower can only hold out so long as the IEE is interested in the task at hand. Being faced with Ti rules and administration can quickly diminish that interest. IEEs are probably the most fickle of the types.


    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    Why mixed? SxE's never procrastinate on tasks that they don't care about?
    Procrastination just wouldn't make sense to an Se-lead. To them, the life that is important is that which is lived and experienced now. Why would anything they want to do be delayed until tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    I'm very competitive. I enjoy going straight for "thing of desire". I get really pissed off after a while if I can't get it - I'm impatient - and usually I'll just try more to get it. I can't say though that this impatience always helps me.
    That sounds Se.

    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    As for the second option, I don't understand this thing here, about IxE's (IEE above either), what does it depend on how long their interest will last? Until the first obstacle? Or until they get bored? If they get bored why/how do they get bored? Surely it does not just happen randomly?
    Until a less boring alternative pops up, which the IxE will immediately start to consider rather than the obstacle-ridden task at hand. The grass is always greener on the other side. The IxE gets bored when the task at hand starts to seem repetitive or limited. An IEE faced with Ti will quickly see the venture as one that might have appeared interesting but was riddled with unenjoyable tasks and it's all too easy for them to jump to something else.

    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    I am not talking about pain. I am talking about motivation to even start doing the goddamn thing.
    Well if the thing is a chore or something the Se-lead doesn't desire. They certainly won't be told to do it. As an EP type, they pursue what they desire. The difference with an Se-lead is that once something is desired, they will plough through obstacles with force of will to get at the desired thing while the Ne-lead has a multitude of desired things and will flit from one to the next.

    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    If I started on something I will not stop until done. I enjoy that btw. Pain not an issue I enjoy the feeling of motivation as well. It usually feels like an intrinsic motivation so it's all good .

    Starting, however depends on awakening that motivation; this can be brought on by several things. Two main categories: Challenges (physical or intellectual alike) & opportunities. 2) External deadline or other external circumstance that makes it necessary.

    The first category, that's got several versions, can be competitiveness against others or challenges not involving other people. Or interaction with people that somehow brings up something, e.g. some opportunity and then I get set on it

    Oh and in the cases when I'm just forced to do it (deadline for example), I can still enjoy the feeling of having the motivation that got me kicked into gear. I can also enjoy the intensity of trying to get it sorted asap. Even if the task is not something I would do on my own otherwise (not without procrastinating anyway). Does that make sense? It's hard to explain this well

    So anyway when you said SxE's can force themselves with tasks they would otherwise not do, can they start such tasks without e.g. deadlines? That sounds like the ultimate self-discipline to me.
    I'd say this all Se, the way you like to have your engines revved by challenges and then being able to own it. You're an SLE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    OK, but do you not see it as different levels of force? I wouldn't call each and every example of that as truly "forceful". Some of them, sure :p
    Different levels? I'm afraid my Se isn't strong enough to perceive different levels of force effectively :P

    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    Offensive approach to what? Getting your own way? I can only comment the same as above about meaning of "forceful".
    Offensive as in, taking the offensive. Going in on the offence.

    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    Anyway, ok, so there is no such thing as attempting to use Ne role for its own sake, because it's valued by society or something?
    The Se-lead will realise when the situation requires some Ne, so they will sit down and use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    But he said he often likes it for its own sake. Will the Id functions be used for their own sake at times?
    He likes to create a synthesised whole for understanding. He doesn't like to adhere to a particular system. This is what I mean by Ti-Id.

    It could even be that the particular systems being synthesised might contradict but as long as there is a working whole, this doesn't matter to someone with Te in the Ego.

    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    Lol that's funny about LIE. I might not go for the cheapest coffee if I feel like having a specific kind of coffee but the cheapest one works too. Though, staying with the coffee example, I don't actually need to use coffee to keep going if I want to keep going. I'm proud of my ability to not need anything to go on.

    So I'm kind of like, I can like Si and then I just don't care about it. I prefer not to care about it a lot of the time because it'd just get in the way. Sometimes I take care of certain basic negative aspects (need food, need sleep, need more comfortable position, need to dress up because it's cold) but not much more than that. Well and I like aesthetics, I'm good with it
    That would be Ignoring-Si. You have enough ability in Si to utilise it when necessary but you don't see importance to it. An Si lead might not even want coffee to get energy. They would probably just have cultivated a taste for those of good quality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphashallows View Post
    Interesting what you say about Fe. I knew I was a feeler and definitely related more to the Fi description for MBTI but always thought Fe made sense slightly as well. I like that about Socionics, each function has a role.

    Glad to hear I appear to use Ne. I love the idea of leading with Ne but it can be difficult to spot in yourself so it's good that you seem confident I lead with it.

    In general would you say my language is more abstract or concrete?
    Abstract or concrete, what do you mean? If anything you used more concrete language because you were answering questions that called for a concrete answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post

    Yeah I was thinking to myself reading it that it was too stereotypical LII :p But if you're really like that and especially if you like being yourself, cool then
    I wouldn't lie, that's the way I am. Yay for stereotypes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    So I'm kind of like, I can like Si and then I just don't care about it. I prefer not to care about it a lot of the time because it'd just get in the way. Sometimes I take care of certain basic negative aspects (need food, need sleep, need more comfortable position, need to dress up because it's cold) but not much more than that. Well and I like aesthetics, I'm good with it
    I relate to all of this too and as an LII supposedly I'm Si valuing yet I ignore it much of the time. I tend to push myself body-wise. Stay awake until I'm literally ready to fall over, put off eating until I have gnawing hunger pangs. Things like that. Yet I appreciate good food and comfy things. Sometimes I'm just too lazy to cook something nice, and just eat whatever is easy to get on hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Such Irony View Post
    I relate to all of this too and as an LII supposedly I'm Si valuing yet I ignore it much of the time. I tend to push myself body-wise. Stay awake until I'm literally ready to fall over, put off eating until I have gnawing hunger pangs. Things like that. Yet I appreciate good food and comfy things. Sometimes I'm just too lazy to cook something nice, and just eat whatever is easy to get on hand.
    In your case, it looks as if you don't pay enough attention to your body... forgetting your physical needs until they're painful etc. this is weak Si.

    For Si-Ignoring, they are able to pay attention to their bodies and do, hence why they're good at honing their bodies into physical effectiveness. However, they keep things Spartan because luxury isn't really valued. They won't be neglecting sleep or food though.
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    I am considering a voice recording like @Amargith, but would you take it by PM instead? (maybe that need alone reveals something, lol)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Misty View Post
    I am considering a voice recording like @Amargith, but would you take it by PM instead? (maybe that need alone reveals something, lol)
    Videos are more useful than voice recordings but I will accept them.

    Yes, you may PM me
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    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    Want to talk about the guesses? :p
    My guess is that @edchidna1000 has sold me a type. Congratulations to him!
    Quote Originally Posted by edchidna1000 View Post
    For IEEs, Si is highly valued. They are the sort of people who may forget to take care of themselves but are greatly appreciative of positive physical sensations. These are the people who always ask for a particular cappuccino at their favourite coffee shop, who enjoy sleeping in from time to time and having someone make them breakfast in bed.

    For an LIE it's more... "Oh, I've been working all night, I'm falling asleep. I need caffeine." "What coffee would you like?" "The cheapest one that does the job."
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    That is very Te>Si... The LIE sees relaxation as a waste of time.
    Guilty. Guilty, guilty.
    Would you say this is as strong as your ability to strategise and do things productively?
    In my earlier years, gauging subjective distance definitely wasn't as strong as my ability to produce (or to think about how best to produce). I've put a lot into practice in social psychology. "Having a love/hate relationship with" can turn to "assessing properly, for good and for bad" when one gains a greater understanding.

    From some perspective, one could say that being able to pick up on that psychological distance was a goal of mine and that I learned about typology &c. to reach that goal. The way that particular thread was weaved would point squarely to.. .. black-square dominance.
    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Does it have to do with reciprocation? "Understanding" as a sign that they put in the effort to listen to you perspectives and absorb them in the same way that you do with theirs?
    Yes. Definitely this.
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    Crikey, that's a terrible resource! Since when are ILIs charming and able to make any topic interesting? The ability to make themselves appeal to others is exactly what ILI lacks.
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    ILI is possible, but the way you talk about leadership suggests someone who is a lot more proactive and out there than an ILI.

    The difference is temperament. An Linear-Assertive type like LIE strives to do everything productively. They might work themselves into an ill state of health because relaxation and enjoying the little things isn't useful. They tend to do as much of use as they can. They will also try to lead others and push them to do things better.

    A Receptive-Adaptive type like ILI just prefers to sit and think about what might happen later. Actually going out and doing something is not the priority and often they need a bit of a push. They're the sort to think up a winning strategy in their head without actually summoning the gusto to do anything with it. They usually can't give a damn about how other people feel towards them.
    In your ILI/LIE contrast here, the ILI side does not describe me. At all.

    Thanks for the info
    As for IEE, they're more the sort to do things just because they feel like doing them. They might want to set up a consultancy and get all involved in the beginning stages before getting bored with the legal paperwork and backing out. Usually they will aspire towards being productive but fail because they cannot be sufficiently productive without adhering to systems and restrictions when necessary.
    This one actually resonates with me, but with a slant to it. I tend to take on many 'projects' at once, because one or a few might win out, or many may seem interesting; but I shift priorities around and back out of some of those obligations when the prospect for potential disappears. I'm also not a fan of restrictions and details--the former suffocates me and the latter bores me to tears--but my way of handling them is to try to rise to (or otherwise shift to) positions that don't require them; which, in turn, often requires accepting some in the short term.

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