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    Default An Introduction to Socionics Part 1: The Jungian Dichotomies and IM Elements

    Socionics - A theory that combines Jungian psychology and sociology in categorising types of personality and how those different personalities interact with each other. It is taught in 150 different universities around Eastern Europe.

    Carl Jung - A Swiss psychiatrist who wrote on Psychological Types, leading to the formulation of two typology systems, MBTI and Socionics.

    Antoni Kępiński – A Polish psychiatrist who came up with a psychological theory of human interactions called Information Metabolism in which we process information into behaviour like an organism metabolises food into energy.

    Aušra Augustinavičiūtė – Lithuanian psychologist and sociologist who combined Jung’s Psychological Types with Kępiński’s to create Classical Socionics.

    Victor Gulenko – Ukrainian clinical psychologist and sociologist who formulated additional groupings in Socionics.


    Jungian Dichotomies - The original four dichotomies that can be found in MBTI and Socionics. These are Extroversion/Introversion, Intuition/Sensation, Logic/Ethics and Rationality/Irrationality.

    1. Extroversion and Introversion

    • Extroversion - The attitude of breadth, ravenously accumulating more and more information. Motivated towards tackling the objects themselves. An 'Extroverted' person may be more active, doing a large variety of things.

    • Introversion - The attitude of depth, refining information down to the most important parts. Focused on understanding one's own relation to the object. An 'Introverted' person may be less active, preferring to specialise in a few things.


    2. Rationality and Irrationality

    • Rationality - The attitude of 'what ought', processing judgements on things whether sentimental (Ethics) or systematic (Logic). Considers what ought to be done. A 'Rational' person's primary reason for action is to maintain or fulfil standards and ideals.

    • Irrationality - The attitude of 'what is', processing perceptions of things whether physical (Sensation) or abstract (Intuition). Considers what is or could be done. An 'Irrational' person's primary reason for action is to pursue or satisfy desires and needs.


    3. Intuition and Sensation

    • Intuition - Internal perception; the abstract, hypothetical and imagined. Intuitive types are more inclined to perceive with the mind than the body, being more capable with concepts than real things. Intuition deals with the vague and general, allowing consideration of what might happen somewhere in our future. Symbolised by a Triangle.

    • Sensation - External perception; the real, concrete and experienced. Sensory types are more inclined to perceive with the body than the mind, being more capable with real things than concepts. Sensation deals with the precise and day to day allowing awareness of what is happening in the here and now. Symbolised by a Circle.


    4. Ethics and Logic

    • Ethics - Internal judgement; the emotional, personal and felt. Ethical types are more inclined to judge with the heart than the head, being more capable with other people than systems and processes. Ethics deals with how people ought to feel about things, allowing charismatic socialising and persuasion. Symbolised by an L-Block.

    • Logic - External judgement; the systematic, factual and reasoned. Logical types are more inclined to judge with the head than the heart, being more capable with systems and processes than other people. Logic deals with how facts and statements ought to work together, allowing apt organisation and problem-solving. Symbolised by a Square.



    Temperament – Gulenko combined the Extroversion/Introversion dichotomy with the Rationality/Irrationality dichotomy to create the four temperaments. These are general attitudes that shape how people approach the world around them. This is the first major grouping of the sixteen types in Socionics.

    • Linear-Assertive – Extroverted and Rational. Possesses an expansive mind-set over judgements. Proactively takes on the responsibility of making the world conform to how it ought to be. Dynamically makes changes to the world in order to maintain standards. More likely to take charge and instruct others. Dislikes laziness of others preventing responsibility from being fulfilled. Associated with the Choleric temperament. Types: ESE, EIE, LIE & LSE.

    • Flexible-Manoeuvring – Extroverted and Irrational. Possesses an expansive mind-set over perceptions. Actively pursues wants and desires in the world around them, satisfying an increasing appetite for more things. Statically fixates on numerous desires and chases them. More likely to chase after something on pure desire or interest. Dislikes the strict pedantry of others preventing desires from being satisfied. Associated with the Sanguine temperament. Types: ILE, SLE, SEE & IEE.

    • Balanced-Stable – Introverted and Rational. Possesses a contractive mind-set over judgements. Statically adheres to fixed personal standards and ideals. Rigorously seeks perfectionism in their actions and readily applies self-critique. More likely to act infallibly in the fewer activities that they take on. Dislikes the impulses and whims of others spoiling their hard work. Associated with the Melancholic temperament. Types: LII, LSI, ESI & EII.

    • Receptive-Adaptive – Introverted and Irrational. Possesses a contractive mind-set over perceptions. Focuses on refining and satisfying the few needs or desires. Dynamically adapts their methods to the environment. More likely to go with the flow, making subtle changes to satisfy the main desires and abstaining from unneeded action. Dislikes bossiness of others infringing on their internal harmony. Associated with the Phlegmatic temperament. Types: SEI, IEI, ILI, SLI.



    Club – We can combine the Intuition/Sensation dichotomy with the Logic/Ethics dichotomy to create the four Clubs. These are classifications of our Strengths and Weaknesses, showing what activities and areas of interest we are likely to find ourselves operating in.

    • Researcher – Intuitive and Logical. Most equipped to deal with abstract problem-solving, either creating strategies and methods for long term developments (e.g. economics and business management) or working with theoretical structures to classify and understand the world (e.g. theoretical science and mathematics). Types: ILE, LII, ILI & LIE.

    • Humanitarian – Intuitive and Ethical. Most equipped to deal with creative output on the human condition, either passionately making others aware of a long-term purpose (public speaking and drama) or creating new opportunities for moral improvement in the world (e.g. charity and psychotherapy). Types: EIE, IEI, EII & IEE.

    • Pragmatist – Sensory and Logical. Most equipped to deal with real solutions to physical problems, either assertively enforcing structures and hierarchy (e.g. martial warfare and policing) or refining methodologies to make daily processes run comfortably and efficiently (e.g. medicine and engineering). Types: LSI, SLE, LSE & SLI.

    • Socialite – Sensory and Ethical. Most equipped to socialise with and persuade people, either catering to the emotional and physical wellbeing of others (e.g. cooking and entertainment) or making strong connections with people to achieve ends (e.g. diplomacy and etiquette). Types: SEI, ESE, SEE & ESI.



    Information Metabolism (IM) Element – We can combine the Extroversion/Introversion dichotomy with both the Intuition/Sensation and Logic/Ethics dichotomies to form the eight IM Elements. These are theoretical constructs that convert (metabolise) certain kinds of information into behaviour. Each is geared towards a certain kind of information which is then acted upon via the process of Information Metabolism.

    • Extroverted Intuition – Intuition of Potential. Considers the essence of objects and the multiple possibilities contained within. This instils an attitude of opportunity-seeking, pursuing freedom of choice and maximising the possibilities as well as tolerance of multiple, alternative viewpoints. Symbolised by a Black Triangle. Leading Types: ILE & IEE. Creative Types: LII & EII.

    • Introverted Intuition – Intuition of Time. Focuses on the likely flow of causes and effects from the past through to the future. This instils an attitude of foresight and prediction, attempting to conceive of how events will develop over the long term and adapting oneself to benefit from these predictions. Symbolised by a White Triangle. Leading Types: IEI & ILI. Creative Types: EIE & LIE.

    • Extroverted Sensation – Sensation of Force. Scans the environment for items of desire and motivates assertive action towards claiming those items. This instils an attitude of lust and combat, pursuing one’s ambitions in the real world and conquering threats to gain more territory. Symbolised by a Black Circle. Leading Types: SLE & SEE. Creative Types: LSI & ESI.

    • Introverted Sensation – Sensation of Perception. Refines sensory experiences down to those that are most enjoyable, seeking to increase pleasure in the moment. This instils an attitude of aesthetic and comfort, adjusting oneself to the environment and making small changes to the environment so that it is most pleasing to the senses. Symbolised by a White Circle. Leading Types: SEI & SLI. Creative Types: ESE & LSE.

    • Extroverted Logic – Logic of Practicality. Actively develops methods by which processes work more productively. This instils an attitude of efficiency, readily absorbing relevant information and using that information to make the environment work better and instructing others on how to do things that lead to profitable effects. Symbolised by a Black Square. Leading Types: LIE & LSE. Creative Types: ILI & SLI.

    • Introverted Logic – Logic of Structure. Orders and structures the environment according to rules and principles, creating classificatory systems wherein objects are granted logical meaning. This instils an attitude of consistency and principle, adhering to one’s principles and avoiding situations where these rules might be compromised. Symbolised by a White Square. Leading Types: LII & LSI. Creative Types: ILE & SLE.

    • Extroverted Ethics – Ethics of Emotions. Actively expresses emotions in order to affect the mood of the people in the area, instilling enthusiasm to create group cohesion. This instils an attitude of dramatic expression and group motivation, readily making people feel the way they should be feeling. Symbolised by a Black L-Block. Leading Types: ESE & EIE. Creative Types: SEI & IEI.

    • Introverted Ethics – Ethics of Relations. Consults one’s personal sentiments in relation to external stimuli, ascertaining whether the thing is ‘good’ or ‘bad’ and being able to pick up on similar sentiments in others to form meaningful relationships. This instils an attitude of sincerity, requiring one to act true to one’s personal feelings on matters. Symbolised by a White L-Block. Leading Types: ESI & EII. Creative Types: SEE & IEE.
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    You skipped Part 0: To What Extent Is This Pseudoscience Nonsense?

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    Socionics is bullshit. Designed for people who don't know any better.

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    ILE reporting. My favorite thing about Socionics (and maybe the only thing at this point) is the fact that it acknowledges that the top shadow functions (in my case Ni and Te) are just as strong as their counterparts (Ne, Ti); it is just that Ne and Ti are preferred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funtensity View Post
    You skipped Part 0: To What Extent Is This Pseudoscience Nonsense?
    To what extent are you a supporter of "pseudoscience nonsense" by belonging to an MBTI forum?

    At least Socionics has a structure coherent enough to be put up to empirical testing and has been done so to a certain degree in Eastern Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badger055 View Post
    Socionics is bullshit. Designed for people who don't know any better.
    And what is MBTI then? catpiss?

    If you read the articles, you'll find that Socionics is a far more complex and comprehensive theory than the one you're used to with finer definitions that lead to more accurate assessments than anything MBTI can offer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    ILE reporting. My favorite thing about Socionics (and maybe the only thing at this point) is the fact that it acknowledges that the top shadow functions (in my case Ni and Te) are just as strong as their counterparts (Ne, Ti); it is just that Ne and Ti are preferred.
    It's why cognitive function tests don't really work. The only differences between an ILE and an LIE is that of Rationality/Irrationality and Alpha Values/Gamme Vaues. The strengths and weaknesses are identical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edchidna1000 View Post
    To what extent are you a supporter of "pseudoscience nonsense" by belonging to an MBTI forum?

    At least Socionics has a structure coherent enough to be put up to empirical testing and has been done so to a certain degree in Eastern Europe.
    Ah what in the world are you talking about? MBTI can at least be loosely correlated to The Big Five, which is statistically verifiable*. Socionics on the other hand is based on 1930’s Psychology (duality is just a very strange extension of the Oedipus Complex.) which unfortunately contains all the eastern mysticism that the modern psychology institutions have spent the last half a century trying to distance itself from. Socionics is not, and will never be considered remotely scientific.

    Yes at this point I’m sure you’re thinking, what about all those 150 universities that teach it? Let’s be honest here absolutely no one in a modern western society thinks to themselves; “well I’m off to the ex-soviet union to get a quality education.” I honestly don’t think I have ever read about any scientific development of note from there; not exactly bastions of knowledge and innovation.

    Now I’m sure this looks like I’m just bashing socionics, but what I’m really trying to do is give it a reality check. Socionics is a form of spiritualism; it requires you take a leap of faith. The type dynamics are based on how you subjectively feel about someone, the religious symbolism, the numerology, the holistic nature of duality. Which given its origins is hardly surprising; you can take the religion away from the people, but you can’t take the religion out of people, the need will still remain. I just wish that socionists would be content with their own personal belief instead of feeling the need to come to MBTI forums and demand that others worship as they do. It’s the equivalent of Jehovah Witnesses knocking on your door constantly.

    *The closet thing that you are going to get for whole personality “empirical evidence."
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    Quote Originally Posted by edchidna1000 View Post
    It's why cognitive function tests don't really work. The only differences between an ILE and an LIE is that of Rationality/Irrationality and Alpha Values/Gamme Vaues. The strengths and weaknesses are identical.
    Out of curiosity, does Socionics still hold to the idea that you can develop functions consciously? Because I think I underwent some stress a few months back and actually began developing Ni and using it more often (strange isn't it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by edchidna1000 View Post
    And what is MBTI then? catpiss?

    If you read the articles, you'll find that Socionics is a far more complex and comprehensive theory than the one you're used to with finer definitions that lead to more accurate assessments than anything MBTI can offer.
    Complex doesn't mean better. Socionics exploits your intuition. Intuition wants to assume patterns that sometimes aren't there. Ne wants to include everything. You don't know how to screen stuff out. Yea socionics gives your intuition something meaty to bite into but at the end of the day you are playing make believe with yourself. That's all I'm going to say on this.

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