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    K look, I don't know how socionics labels this, but in MBTI terms you're typically better off with someone who shares P/J with you. If that's the opposite of the way socionics letters it, then fine, but the idea is still the same.

    If you are an external organizer, find another external organizer. (MBTI calls these people Js.) If you an internal organizer, find yourself another internal organizer (MBTI calls these people Ps.)

    That's about as far as it goes before descending into total inconsistency, unfortunately.
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    ^ Actually, they say the opposite is better so if your a P, get yourself a J.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    No according to socionics an INTJ can either be an INTj or INTp and in that sense I'm an INTp.

    INTj - ENFp = "supervisor" - "supervisee"
    INTp - ENFp = Illusionary relations

    None of which are good.

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    Yes, I said that. You can be either INTJ or INTP. However, you said a Socionics INTJ matchup is ESFP, but that isn't true, the dual of a Socionics INTJ is ESFJ.

    Also, since MBTI INTJ can still be Socionics INTJ (they can also be INTP) you can't say that the best matchup for MBTI INTJ in socionics is ESFP, it is ESFJ, that's the way the system works. You match them up by comparing the dual from the same system, you are confusing things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    ^ Actually, they say the opposite is better so if your a P, get yourself a J.
    Who is "they" and why do they say this?

    Because that's completely ridiculous.

    If you're that determined to miss the point that many times in a row, I'm not sure I can help you. Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatman455 View Post
    Yes, I said that. You can be either INTJ or INTP. However, you said a Socionics INTJ matchup is ESFP, but that isn't true, the dual of a Socionics INTJ is ESFJ.

    Also, since MBTI INTJ can still be Socionics INTJ (they can also be INTP) you can't say that the best matchup for MBTI INTJ in socionics is ESFP, it is ESFJ, that's the way the system works. You match them up by comparing the dual from the same system, you are confusing things.
    Dude... (MBTI - socionics) INTJ = INTp or INTj
    INTp has best relations with ESFp
    INTj has best relations with ESFj
    THEREFORE me being an INTJ/INTp would make me best with an ESFP
    BUT according to MBTI I would be best with an ENXP

    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Who is "they" and why do they say this?

    Because that's completely ridiculous.

    If you're that determined to miss the point that many times in a row, I'm not sure I can help you. Good luck.
    MBTI match ups. Personality and Relationships I don't think I can give you anything more clear.

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    "You see, according to socionics the ideal partner for an INTJ is an ESFP while in MBTI we can say it's an ENFP. "


    That is what you said.



    That is not true. According to socionics the ideal partner for an INTJ is an ESFJ.

    I don't know how it can be any clearer than that.


    So I will make it more complicated:

    You can't translate the types over because an MBTI INTJ could be either a Socionics INTJ or INTP. So saying that MBTI INTJ will always come out to Socionics INTP and therefore the best match for MBTI INTJ according to socionics is ESFP is also wrong.


    INTJ is a type in Socionics and it's dual partner is the ESFJ according to Socionics. If this stuff wasn't consistent it would be pointless.

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    ^ I meant INTJ in MBTI. Not INTj in socionics which would make me half right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    ^ I meant INTJ in MBTI. Not INTj in socionics which would make me half right.
    Yeah, you were correct in your thinking, but it was just a typo, sorry just trying to point it out for people who are unaware of the differences as much as you or I.

    Just out of curiosity, who do you find fits the bill more? ESFJ, ENFP, ESFP?

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    Just another issue to address: Why is this thread in the NF forum?
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    MBTI makes better sense to me. In MBTI, I am Fi Ne and the INFP profiles mostly ring true. In Socionics, Ni Fe fits me better as a package, but not when looking at individual function definitions. INFp sounds like INFP as a whole, yet the functions of INFp should equal MBTI INFJ. Since so many people yell about them not being equivalent, I just accept that I can type Fi for one and Ni for another . I find the intertype relationships in socionics very odd also.
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