SJ/NT similarities?

[EJCC]

This may sound a bit farfetched, but I know that there are some.

For instance, I've noticed that my INTP dad and I both tend to put off really important things like sleep in order to do more work. We both tend to think sleep isn't nearly as important as getting that LAST THING DONE... and then that last thing turns into ten last things, and it's four in the morning and there you are.

What do you guys think?

[disregard]

I think you and your dad have that in common because he is your dad and you are his son.

[EJCC]

Originally Posted by disregard

I think you and your dad have that in common because he is your dad and you are his son.

Daughter, actually.

Well, I feel totally shut down. I'd like to think my idea has some validity... I mean, I thought of it because people focus more on differences here than on similarities, but, you know...

Anyone else have any thoughts?

[disregard]

Well, INTP and ESTJ are both dominant thinkers. That's all I can come up with.

[booyalab]

There are some ideals that SJs and NTs share, like correctness and practicality. But they are obviously motivated by diametrically opposite learning and decision-making processes. You could say that SJs are just NTs turned inside out. SJs like concrete rules and principles like laws and traditions. NTs like abstract rules and principles like logic and systems.

[MEC]

Originally Posted by EJCC

Daughter, actually.

Well, I feel totally shut down. I'd like to think my idea has some validity... I mean, I thought of it because people focus more on differences here than on similarities, but, you know...

Anyone else have any thoughts?

Any chance you're both J?

[mlittrell]

their intelligences are similar

For example (this is general):

SJ -> logistical, tactical, strategical, diplomatic
SP -> tactical, logistical, strategical, diplomatic
NT -> strategical, diplomatic, tactical, logistical
NF -> diplomatic, strategical, logistical, tactical

I sort of look at strategical and tactical to be in the same ball park and logistical and diplomatic in another. This is a very very very vague description because it's too early in the morning and im not awake lol.

[EJCC]

Originally Posted by booyalab

There are some ideals that SJs and NTs share, like correctness and practicality. But they are obviously motivated by diametrically opposite learning and decision-making processes. You could say that SJs are just NTs turned inside out. SJs like concrete rules and principles like laws and traditions. NTs like abstract rules and principles like logic and systems.

This was what I was looking for, with my question. (Thanks, booyalab ) Yes, their thought processes are drastically different, but what about values? Interests? What shared ideas would they bond over, if they became friends?

Any other thoughts?

[Jack Flak]

If I want to like an SJ, I minimize contact, precisely because we value opposing things. People are innately different, and can't be changed, so everyone has to be reckoned with somehow.

Like booyalab said, SJs and NTs often agree, but almost always for different reasons.

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Originally Posted by EJCC

Well, I feel totally shut down. I'd like to think my idea has some validity... I mean, I thought of it because people focus more on differences here than on similarities, but, you know...

Anyone else have any thoughts?

As usual people want to give the system too much credence. Disregard is correct in my opinion, that your dad's work ethic greatly influenced you which is no different from generational welfare recipients, creating legacies, etc. This has nothing to do with type.