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    Default Does anyone know how long we have until "Global Warming" starts

    Until Global Warming starts endangering all living things on the planets ability to sustain of the earth itself.

    I hear things on the news about how supposedly we might be able soon "go to Mars" and start cultivating life on it or something (which I think honesty, is B.S.) I think it's more of a ruse and instead in fact why they are in actuality implying is that with rising temperatures, the earth will actually start to resemble Mars and that's what the conditions will actually be like itself.

    I mean, is Global warming and Climate change really happening this drastically that the earth will change dramatically enough over the next century or are they just over-exaggerating?

    "If it weren't for the greenhouse effect of our atmosphere, early Earth would have been as frozen as is today. ... In other words, at some point, the Sun will become so hot that the Earth's oceans will boil. This is the ultimate form of global warming: a world so hot that water is impossible." Another excerpt: Life will thrive on Earth for at least another 1.75billion years and perhaps as many as 3.5billion. Beyond then, the Sun will have become so hot that nothing will be able to survive, scientists believe. Ever since it was formed our planet has been at just the right distance from the Sun to make it habitable.Sep 18, 2013"

    So what is all the scare mongering with? are they just lying? is it merely a case of environmental gone wrong and it's an attempt to get everyone to stop polluting or over producing as possibly there is a finite amount of resources on the earth?


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    I don't get the fear at all. We have air conditioning and we have hydroponics. We can grow vegetables inside giant warehouses using LED bulbs and drip irrigation. Even if every coastal city flooded, that's just a tiny percentage of livable land.

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    So what is all the scare mongering with? are they just lying? is it merely a case of environmental gone wrong and it's an attempt to get everyone to stop polluting or over producing as possibly there is a finite amount of resources on the earth?
    I think we're being lied to. A whistleblower at the NOAA pretty much admitted that the NOAA's latest paper on climate change was a fraud with political motives.

    Climate change whistleblower alleges NOAA manipulated data to hide global warming ‘pause’

    In an article on the Climate Etc. blog, John Bates, who retired last year as principal scientist of the National Climatic Data Center, accused the lead author of the 2015 NOAA “pausebuster” report of trying to “discredit” the hiatus through “flagrant manipulation of scientific integrity guidelines and scientific publication standards.”

    In addition, Mr. Bates told the Daily [U.K.] Mail that the report’s author, former NOAA National Centers for Environmental Information director Thomas Karl, did so by “insisting on decisions and scientific choices that maximized warming and minimized documentation.”
    The reason why climate science is controversial is because these scientists are not using scientific methods.
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    Irish Climate Analysis and Research Units: On the Mail on Sunday article on Karl et al., 2015


    Or, it was 62 degrees (16 Celsius) and it's February 19th. In Michigan. This kind of thing happened about 5 years ago - very unseasonably warm temps in March. Fucked all the crops up. Don't need a scientist to tell me that's a problem.
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    Is it supposedly...an Armageddon type possibility though?

    It's still interesting though that this year there was a huge winter related storm all over the world. Everything is so serious and politically charged in today's world, it's kin of overwhelming. Global warming, globalism, nuclear power, inequality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    Irish Climate Analysis and Research Units: On the Mail on Sunday article on Karl et al., 2015


    Or, it was 62 degrees (16 Celsius) and it's February 19th. In Michigan. This kind of thing happened about 5 years ago - very unseasonably warm temps in March. Fucked all the crops up. Don't need a scientist to tell me that's a problem.
    Yeah, it got really warm in February and the cherry trees blossomed early. Then it got cold again and they froze off. That's a normal farming problem, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Admiral Crunch View Post
    Yeah, it got really warm in February and the cherry trees blossomed early. Then it got cold again and they froze off. That's a normal farming problem, right?
    A small warmup then freeze is a normal farming problem. Not weeks of 80 and 90 degree temps in March then into April, which happened in 2012. Is that climate change? Yes. Is it man made? To what degree, I can't say but does anyone really think humans have nothing to do with it at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    I don't get the fear at all. We have air conditioning and we have hydroponics. We can grow vegetables inside giant warehouses using LED bulbs and drip irrigation. Even if every coastal city flooded, that's just a tiny percentage of livable land.



    I think we're being lied to. A whistleblower at the NOAA pretty much admitted that the NOAA's latest paper on climate change was a fraud with political motives.

    Climate change whistleblower alleges NOAA manipulated data to hide global warming ‘pause’



    The reason why climate science is controversial is because these scientists are not using scientific methods.
    Climate scientists are probably under a lot of pressure to publish data that is agreeable to climate change alarmism. I don't find it hard to believe that they would fudge some data, but it is virtually impossible that anthropomorphic climate change is a hoax. Those climate models are scientifically sound, and the basic principles behind anthropomorphic climate change are basically air-tight. Yes, the warming has slowed down over the past decade, and no one really knows why, but there are a lot of theories, and the consensus is that the warming will start up again.

    The problem is that the climate is such a complicated system than no-one really knows how much harm (or good, for that matter) a 1 or 3 or 5 degree change in the planet's average temperature will do. My impression is that there is little respectable research on what exactly the consequences of this climate change will be. This is where the bias, alarmism, and political motives come in. I've seen people rant about how climate change is the biggest problem facing the world right now, and then I ask them: Okay, what are the potential consequences of climate change?

    They tell me that the threat is rising sea levels (The worst case scenario is a paltry two meters over the next century) and more frequent hurricanes, and they bring up those "poor polar bears." That's too bad, but that doesn't really justify the ~$20-100 trillion dollar investment that the world needs to make to switch over to renewables. Whatever the case, the fact of the matter is that we are slowly but surely running out of fossil fuels (whether that takes 30, 60 or 200 years, is another matter), and so we'll have to switch eventually anyway. Since people have a tendency to procrastinate, and politicians can't see more than 4 years into the future, I suppose that climate alarmism can be useful.
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    Probably not armageddon type. More like boiling a frog in the water type so it never leaps out.

    Home country, tropical drought. I don't wanna say more than that. It was bad. Not quite as bad as you'd say. Probably liveable next decade or so, but two decades down? We'll be adults or old people. We'll still be here, and it will be even more noticeable. Trends go by small increments per year. Doesn't mean it doesn't add up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    Irish Climate Analysis and Research Units: On the Mail on Sunday article on Karl et al., 2015


    Or, it was 62 degrees (16 Celsius) and it's February 19th. In Michigan. This kind of thing happened about 5 years ago - very unseasonably warm temps in March. Fucked all the crops up. Don't need a scientist to tell me that's a problem.
    We had a day in April that was 92 in Seattle.

    Up until a about five years ago that didn't even happen every summer.

    On that note; the past few summers have lasted from sporadic weeks between March and June and consistantly from July to Mid-October. Last year I went to the beach in October..fucking October! I went swimming and didn't catch pnumonia. It was in the seventies!

    I used to love summer and now I hate it because it's been at least 2 months straight of 95+

    Fortunatley we've gotten more than enough rain this winter because the past few years it hasn't rained nearly as much as it used to. I'm used to seeing the river behind my house rise and fall with the seasons but last two years it's been about the same year-round.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Admiral Crunch View Post
    Yeah, it got really warm in February and the cherry trees blossomed early. Then it got cold again and they froze off. That's a normal farming problem, right?
    Oh yeah, the cherry trees. That was pretty wierd. They haven't started to bloom here, which is far more normal. This past fall has been more normal that it has been the past couple years. I hope it will be enough to keep things wet and green for another few warm years if need be.

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    There is the issue of atmospheric pollutants, but also sun cycles. Does anyone have information on the effects of sun spots and such on climate? From what I understand, there are several factors acting on the system which makes predictions difficult, however,
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