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    Default Mars Astronauts Needed!

    Twelve astronauts to be locked up in a self-contained Mars-emulating biosphere here on Earth for seventeen months, to evaluate the potential psychological effects on people. 500 have applied; only 19 are women.

    Would you go? Why or why not?

    Which MBTI types do you think could successfully coexist for seventeen long months in a confined space, without things getting ugly?

    What sort of psychological pressures can you imagine that would accompany such an experience?

    To start the ball rolling, I have to mention the thought of sex if the "dirty dozen" are of mixed genders. How will the dynamics play out over seventeen long months, especially if cold showers are not available? How do people pair off? Will there be monogamous relationships or promiscuous ones? Will men end up fighting over the female staff? It could be extremely volatile, depending...
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    Sex is the big problem. Good for tension release, good for relationships, good for generating jealousy.

    Hm. I'm having Stranger in a Strange Land flashbacks. Do we need to gear up for the discussion on polyamorous relationships?
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    I grok you, Crowsie.

    I don't think I could do this. No, I know I couldn't do this. No way.

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    I always wanted to go to Mars. Not sure about the biosphere. It seems to have all the drawbacks of the experience without the benefits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    I always wanted to go to Mars. Not sure about the biosphere. It seems to have all the drawbacks of the experience without the benefits.
    I had the same thoughts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rivercrow View Post
    Sex is the big problem. Good for tension release, good for relationships, good for generating jealousy.

    Hm. I'm having Stranger in a Strange Land flashbacks. Do we need to gear up for the discussion on polyamorous relationships?
    I don't think that'll be the big problem. It can be diffused through work overload and other stress releases, which is what they are planning from the sound of it.

    The major problem will be the long term stress issues of confinement. I'm pretty sure they'll also emulate the workload and outside conditions (emergencies). This heightened sense of emergency and co-dependence will lead to serious bonding between the individuals, similar to what happens in the military. However, this will also causes very large individual pressure (ie: Asian societies) which will erupt in erratic and dangerous behaviour.

    I wouldn't do it after reading about similar experiments. The pressure the mind goes under goes far beyond what one can control with will alone. It will change who you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    I wouldn't do it after reading about similar experiments. The pressure the mind goes under goes far beyond what one can control with will alone. It will change who you are.
    Is that why we are letting the Russians do it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    I don't think that'll be the big problem. It can be diffused through work overload and other stress releases, which is what they are planning from the sound of it.
    Okay--maybe not THE big prob, but up on the list. All male teams have more friction than mixed gender problems, but other issues emerge. I'm thinking NASA...
    The major problem will be the long term stress issues of confinement. I'm pretty sure they'll also emulate the workload and outside conditions (emergencies). This heightened sense of emergency and co-dependence will lead to serious bonding between the individuals, similar to what happens in the military. However, this will also causes very large individual pressure (ie: Asian societies) which will erupt in erratic and dangerous behaviour.
    Long term confinement--yes. And are you implying there's a problem with the military's influence on relationship?
    I wouldn't do it after reading about similar experiments. The pressure the mind goes under goes far beyond what one can control with will alone. It will change who you are.
    I wouldn't, either, but for different reasons.

    One being the military involvement and directives any such effort would have.
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    Dear god, there's no way I would ever do this or anything similar (work on a submarine, etc). I've read some fascinating reports about the psychological pressures observed at arctic research stations during freeze-over periods; people start to intensely dislike one another, develop long-focus stares, become intensely depressed, etc. This sounds similar, but worse.
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    Perhaps in younger years I would have done this. Not anymore though. I had enough of involuntary confinement in the military. It can lead to close bonding ... but also loathing or hatred of people who rub you the wrong way, as you cannot escape them.

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