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    Transsexuals claim to have a different brain want to get their sex change. Gay people have a brain similar to females yet they don't have the urge to get their sex change. Why is this?


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    Well.. first, male and female brains are awfully similar to begin with despite attraction. (Let's not even delve into historically straight males in ancient times engaging in same sex relations, and that society sort of puts standards on how taboo homosexuality is or is not. Many children experiment with the same sex at young ages, but young boys tend to hide it because of the taboo it is seen as now.)

    There have been some studies showing correlations between second and third sons and homosexuality via the mother's resistance to testosterone, etc. Or how levels of estrogen can be higher in more effeminate men. But it is important to remember correlation is not causation. While we know being born gay is definitely a thing, we don't know how much of it is influenced by genes and how much is influenced by personality and society. We have a lot of exciting research about how some people born prone to things with certain genes can have them switched on and off so to speak based on events that happen as they grow up. So society can literally influence gene expression.To top that off... There is a whole spectrum (bisexuality is a thing as well), and we see social changes in people born straight (aka prison systems and the like) and gay (being married to a woman despite attraction to men). So, the more feminine-like brains could be an influence without being a major component at all. Or a red herring.. and have nothing to do with it. We don't know.

    Transexuality is a very complex thing. Very complex. I think it is safe to say that this a part from attraction to the sexes.. because you can have a trans gay person (ftm that like men) just as easily as a trans straight person (ftm that likes women), or trans bi, or trans-only attractions (only attracted to other trans people). It is a whole other can of worms and it is not really in the same categories as homosexuality.

    Edit:I should mention I don't subscribe to this non source feminine brain thing. I'm just rolling with it for the sake of argument in case the OP was talking about hormone expression or something to that effect. They're just gay man.
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    Ok okay thanks anyway.
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    I am sorry to jump in here. But we do not 'know being born gay is a thing.'

    In fact, it is likely more nurture than nature that turns gay switches on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    I am sorry to jump in here. But we do not 'know being born gay is a thing.'

    In fact, it is likely more nurture than nature that turns gay switches on.
    You are crazy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    I am sorry to jump in here. But we do not 'know being born gay is a thing.'

    In fact, it is likely more nurture than nature that turns gay switches on.

    Yes we do know it's a thing. You have been disproven of this COUNTLESS time. Stop spreading bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    I am sorry to jump in here. But we do not 'know being born gay is a thing.'

    In fact, it is likely more nurture than nature that turns gay switches on.
    Gay switches?

    Gay switches?

    Why, cheerio! Mighty fine morning it is today. I think I'll turn my gay switch on.
    Oh dear, something bumped my gay switch. Looks like I'm gay now.

    But really. Would you say that you're straight because of nurture? Chances are you'd say, "no, this is just the way I am." It's the exact same way with gay, bi, and lesbian folks. It's part of who they are.

    And the so-called reparative "therapy" used to turn this "gay switch" off does nothing more than harm and great emotional damage. Just in case we end up on that topic. You can't pray the gay away. It's an innate part of one's identity. I know you're a devoted Christian, so consider this: God makes gay people. They're created that way, and he loves them all the same.

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    Generally speaking, it's hard to designate individuals as having a male/female "brain" based on thinking/behavior because we're all mosaics: The brains of men and women aren’t really that different, study finds | Science/AAAS | News

    But there's an article about transgendered brains in next month's Scientific American talking about correlations in olfatory stimulation responses in brain imaging and gender identification: Is There Something Unique about the Transgender Brain? - Scientific American Since response to odours cannot be socialised, this suggests that there is a biological basis for defined gender identity at birth.

    There's also very good evidence that homosexuality is linked to epigenetic marks which are already defined at birth: Science Magazine: Sign In
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    i will never get OMG she's was born a he omg stop the presses! i mean i was when i first learned about it, but it wasn't in an eww gross kind of way more like curious kind of way its like whatever. let people be them, make your life easier stop fighting for what others do to their bodies. its actually very simple.

    and the being gay thing, i dunno i've known gay men who were very masculine and you would have no fucking clue they liked other men unless they said so and also ones that were very effement i don't think having a female brain is what makes them gay automatically, but i dunno i am not a gay man and i will never be one. it goes back to my first point, let people be them, stop trying to meddle, damn kids
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    The most difficult thing about this topic is that people consider their own sexuality, and then extrapolate it to assume that everyone else is or should be the same. It's hard to see outside ourselves, and that goes for those on both sides of the fence.

    I don't really know or care whether homosexuality is nature or nurture, or a combination thereof. I think it should be accepted either way. People's practice or interpretation of religion is really silly a lot of the time. There's other psychological reasons for discrimination too, but I won't get into that.

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