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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Its good to see how you frame things. Whatever works for you because I see it as precisely the converse.

    Your information is wrong but I'm well used to that by this point.
    Now, you'll be needing the last word if memory serves, make it a good one, go for profound and some how triumphant. That's never embarrassing if you realise your error and read it back with the full passage of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 93JC View Post
    Now, you'll be needing the last word if memory serves, make it a good one, go for profound and some how triumphant. That's never embarrassing if you realise your error and read it back with the full passage of time.
    If having to quote me doesnt embarrass you then it sure doesnt embarrass me.

    Feel free to use that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    If having to quote me doesnt embarrass you then it sure doesnt embarrass me.

    Feel free to use that too.

    Now, you'll be needing the last word if memory serves, make it a good one, go for profound and some how triumphant. That's never embarrassing if you realise your error and read it back with the full passage of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 93JC View Post
    Now, you'll be needing the last word if memory serves, make it a good one, go for profound and some how triumphant. That's never embarrassing if you realise your error and read it back with the full passage of time.

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    I wonder if I can go for the trifecta.

    Let's go for it, everyone.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Now, you'll be needing the last word if memory serves, make it a good one, go for profound and some how triumphant. That's never embarrassing if you realise your error and read it back with the full passage of time.


    EDIT: Ooh, maybe he finally wised up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles
    No. Their job isn't to explain anything. Explaining things to laymen isn't even practically useful to begin with. What exactly is the point? To satisfy their curiosities?
    Some scientists have agendas, whether it be eating healthier, saving some stupid fish from extinction, or building a $1 trillion star gate. To get that support from Congress (congressional donkeys are usually laymen) entails garnering public support and to get that support, they need to be able to explain why a trillion dollar investment is a good idea in laymen terms.
    Senator Rand Paul is alive because of modern medicine and because his attacker punches like a girl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    Some scientists have agendas, whether it be eating healthier, saving some stupid fish from extinction, or building a $1 trillion star gate. To get that support from Congress (congressional donkeys are usually laymen) entails garnering public support and to get that support, they need to be able to explain why a trillion dollar investment is a good idea in laymen terms.
    While true, that is not the majority of science. That is just the science which the public gets to see because it might pertain to public interests. Moreover, even when this is true, it isn't the scientists doing the work who are addressing the public usually, with a few high profile exceptions which were mentioned previously in the thread.

    In the end though convincing people is still not their job even when they have to do it. This gets passed off to journalists because scientists aren't doing their real job if they are busy talking to you.

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    @Tellenbach
    Additionally when the public is addressed it isn't usually a realtime dialog. The scientist doesn't sit down and write a letter and mail it. They write a paper or do an interview with a journalist and it's somebody else's job to use that to do any necessary convincing. The journalist is some times another scientist, but regardless there's really no direct line of inquiry. It's not like you ask them questions and they speak back to you, the dialogue goes through channels which are several times removed and handled by various kinds of specialists.

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    Also another important thing slipped my mind - just because they manage to convince Congress of anything doesn't mean that they understand anything. When it comes to getting funds, explaining things sufficiently is not nearly as important as getting people to think that you explained things sufficiently.

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    @sprinkles But don't you want to know why we just spent $800 K building a treadmill for some shrimp?
    Senator Rand Paul is alive because of modern medicine and because his attacker punches like a girl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    @sprinkles But don't you want to know why we just spent $800 K building a treadmill for some shrimp?
    Will it change anything?

    Edit:
    Also, no. Not really.

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