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    Quote Originally Posted by st-t-toat View Post
    my dear Mole, thank you; i'm somewhat out-of-my-depth here, so, do please bear with me; shall we remain within the eugenics/genetics dichotomy you cite? my earlier quote (via oEOD) citing eugenics as a "science" is therefore in error? you have a tighter dictionary definition in mind, perhaps?
    My understanding of Eugenics doesn't come from the dictionary but from history.

    The eugenics movement in the United States was largely discredited by the fact that eugenics was central to both the theory and practice of Nazism. Nevertheless, California in particular has a long and sordid history of forced sterilization: sterilizations were forced on prisoners as late as the mid-1960s, in part because California’s long-time attorney general was a vociferous supporter of the practice, and it wasn’t formally outlawed until 1979.

    So it is no surprise to find Americans on this site advocating for Eugenics.

    However the Nuremberg Trials found the Eugenicists guilty of crimes against humanity and sentenced them to death.

    The prime Eugenicist was Dr Josef Mengele, the Angel of Death, at Auschwitz Extermination Camp.

    And Dr Joseph Mengele's Eugenic work was funded by the Americans at the highest level by the Rockefeller Foundation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post

    So it is no surprise to find Americans on this site advocating for Eugenics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    My image of you is someone who has never held a real job, and sits at home posting fantasies on the internet and disputing scientific fact as not having to do with reality. I could be wrong.
    Interestingly, if it were not for his family's money, he would probably be one of the people he wants to eliminate from the population because he is, and as an unsuccessful composer would continue to be, 'unable to provide for children', already suffering from debilitating psychological issues and working hard on developing alcoholism to further 'decrease his lifespan and ability to work normally' in the future.

    The counterphobic force is strong with this one.

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    Oh dear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Interestingly, if it were not for his family's money, he would probably be one of the people he wants to eliminate from the population because he is, and as an unsuccessful composer would continue to be, 'unable to provide for children', already suffering from debilitating psychological issues and working hard on developing alcoholism to further 'decrease his lifespan and ability to work normally' in the future.

    The counterphobic force is strong with this one.
    Woah. He must've really hurt you bruh. That's the longest post I've seen you make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghoul View Post
    Woah. He must've really hurt you bruh. That's the longest post I've seen you make.
    He assaults my sense of coherence on a regular basis. Not really woah and oh-dear material, though; he more or less boasts about these aspects of his life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    He assaults my sense of coherence on a regular basis. Not really woah and oh-dear material, though; he more or less boasts about these aspects of his life.
    Oh, I wasn't oh dearing you. Just the couple pages that I unfortunately skimmed. Now that is very oh dear.
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    [QUOTE=Mole;2348285]My understanding of Eugenics doesn't come from the dictionary but from history. ... QUOTE]

    my dear Mole, i have been browsing some of the history but the provenance of history is just so ... gordian; can we not move from pragmatics to semantics and save what is really a very new word from ... history?

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    Quote Originally Posted by st-t-toat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    My understanding of Eugenics doesn't come from the dictionary but from history. ...
    my dear Mole, i have been browsing some of the history but the provenance of history is just so ... gordian; can we not move from pragmatics to semantics and save what is really a very new word from ... history?
    Gordian Knots are notoriously difficult to untangle, so the Gordian Knot has to be cut.

    And interestingly the American revolutionary, Noah Webster, who wrote Webster's American Dictionary, cut the Gordian Knot of history by cutting American English off from its roots.

    Yes, Noah Webster succeeded in deracinating American English.

    So American English is the triumph of semantics over history.

    But rather than being deracinated we are fortunate to speak the Queen's English found in the Oxford English Dictionary (OED).

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    do I support eugenics? fuck no!

    pretty sure I have seen evidence to support the notion that diversity in the gene pool in the form of contributions by so called "defective" people is beneficial to the human race on the whole.

    I am fundamentally against the idea of engineering some sort of master race even if the thought behind it is some well meaning utopian ideal. what gives us the right to decide that a person with a disability won't be able to contribute to society in a positive way, if these sort of badly thought ideas such as eugenics were to be implemented we wouldn't have geniuses like stephen hawking expanding our understanding of science. a lot of gifted artists would never be given a chance in life as we wouldn't recognise their potential for brilliance, we'd only note that they have a disability or their brain was wired slightly differently and so should be culled. this sort of power should never be granted to a state. it is such a bad flawed idea imo.
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