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    Default if and when time travel is possible

    It should only be used for observational purposes, We already fuck up the present enough, we don't need to be fucking up the past more than our ancestors did.
    In no likes experiment.

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    i dunno what else to say so

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    why? you're going to put ethical barriers to this as you could to genetic engineering, to the atomic bomb, to artificial bodies etc... but the future will come as it will come, with the self-imposed limits of possibility, and whatever ethical constraints you might want to discuss now will be irrelevant as future discoveries and possibilities come into place and the whole context of society changes along. not saying that ethics is not important, but we can't discuss now, with the eyes of the present, what the societies(s), technical advancements,and therefore ethical limitations of the future will be like, IMO.

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    If it were possible, we would already know.

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    How would those living in the future know if someone changed the past, the new past would be the past of their memories (along with the past already being a pretty big mess).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoopy22 View Post
    How would those living in the future know if someone changed the past, the new past would be the past of their memories (along with the past already being a pretty big mess).
    it has nothing to do with the humans knowing or not knowing.
    In no likes experiment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoopy22 View Post
    How would those living in the future know if someone changed the past, the new past would be the past of their memories (along with the past already being a pretty big mess).
    it has nothing to do with the humans knowing or not knowing.
    In no likes experiment.

    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    If it is possible I'm going to go look at the Pink and White Terraces...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoopy22 View Post
    How would those living in the future know if someone changed the past, the new past would be the past of their memories (along with the past already being a pretty big mess).
    I agree, Snoopy. Perhaps there would be instances of dejavu, but how do we know that yesterday is not but one of many possible yesterdays? The future is fluid, always changing, shifting and intangible in the present. Time travel, no matter how you slice it, is paradoxical.
    A student said to his master: "You teach me fighting, but you talk about peace. How do you reconcile the two?" The master replied: "It is better to be a warrior in a garden than to be a gardener in a war." - unknown/Chinese

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ene View Post
    I agree, Snoopy. Perhaps there would be instances of dejavu, but how do we know that yesterday is not but one of many possible yesterdays? The future is fluid, always changing, shifting and intangible in the present. Time travel, no matter how you slice it, is paradoxical.
    It's only paradoxical if you see it from a linear perspective (which is how we tend to see it inside 3 spatial dimensions).

    The cosmologists of today see it more like a river, which can fluctuate its speed and alter its direction of flow.

    If you think of everything as being 'predetermined', then we would lose this rapidly shifting dynamic behind time.

    Because time and the way it develops though is contingent with the present moment, we can (with sufficient mental intensity on our part) 'will' what happens, and perhaps even change our perspectives on what has happened.

    Think of it like a prism or a hallway of mirrors, bouncing the light around in a random fashion, but if you even just vaguely tilt the orientation of a mirror, it would drastically influence the whole course the light takes on its line of travel.

    The smallest movement can effect the whole destiny of our entire world system, which is why our free will is so important.

    The will is intimately connected with time, with what 'will' happen, so it follows that if we can understand the will, which is the prime world mover, then we can know time, which shows us the evolutionary developments moved into causation by the power of the will.

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    Relative and Quantum Time Travel

    We can travel into the future by increasing our relative speed.

    And at the quantum level things can travel back into the past, but for reasons of entropy, quantum time travel doesn't translate into macro time travel. And we live at the macro level.

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