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  • Only God will ever know the answer.

    2 25.00%
  • Yes, science does support the Big Bang.

    3 37.50%
  • No, science does not support the Big Bang.

    1 12.50%
  • I don't know if science supports the Big Bang.

    2 25.00%
  • There was a creation, but it was beyond our universe.

    1 12.50%
  • The creation and our universe have always been here.

    0 0%
  • The creation and our universe are illusions that aren't real.

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    Big Bang Theory wrong again? Plank telescope data doesn't 'fit' theory of Big Bang cosmic inflation

    Also worth reading:

    'Echoes' of the Big Bang Misinterpreted?
    http://news.discovery.com/space/cosm...ang-120615.htm

    Higgs Boson & Big Bang: Large Hadron Collider Data Challenges Cosmic 'Inflation' Theory
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3093057.html

    "Our best fitting model, our best theory has a problem fitting the data"

    Planck space telescope creates the most detailed map ever
    created of the cosmic microwave background, supposedly a relic
    radiation from the Big Bang reveals the existence of features
    that challenge the foundations of our current understanding
    of the Universe.

    Big Bang Scandal Continues As Secular Science Ignores The Evidence Against It

    Big Bang Theory is Proven Wrong Again as the largest known quasar group or object confirms Halton Arp's predictions. Why do they continue to ignore the evidence? Does secular science have an agenda? As they continue to just dismiss the real evidence against the big bang theory it is becoming more and more obvious to anyone paying attention that they are lying. Come on people, wake up and get on the side of the truth.

    Stephen Hawking - No Need For God

    From The Times:
    Modern physics leaves no place for God in the creation of the Universe, Stephen Hawking has concluded.

    Just as Darwinism removed the need for a creator in the sphere of biology, Britain's most eminent scientist argues that a new series of theories have rendered redundant the role of a creator for the Universe.

    In his forthcoming book, an extract from which is published exclusively in Eureka, published today with The Times, Professor Hawking sets out to answer the question: "Did the Universe need a creator?" The answer he gives is a resounding "no".

    Far from being a once-in-a-million event that could only be accounted for by extraordinary serendipity or a divine hand, the Big Bang was an inevitable consequence of the laws of physics, Hawking says.

    "Because there is a law such as gravity, the Universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the Universe exists, why we exist," he writes.

    "It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the Universe going," he finds.

    Pure Truth TV - Creation , God , UFOs & Extraterrestrials

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    Poimandres,

    Thank you so much for these. I will watch them again after while. I'm in the middle of a painting project right now and have a deadline, but..wow...this is good stuff. Thank you, again.
    A student said to his master: "You teach me fighting, but you talk about peace. How do you reconcile the two?" The master replied: "It is better to be a warrior in a garden than to be a gardener in a war." - unknown/Chinese

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...=61024&page=14

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ene View Post
    Poimandres,

    Thank you so much for these. I will watch them again after while. I'm in the middle of a painting project right now and have a deadline, but..wow...this is good stuff. Thank you, again.
    Watch the first 2 videos; the last 2 are just if you are interested and have the time, but ya, the question on the creation is a big one for cosmology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanton Moore View Post
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    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

    “Pleasure to me is wonder—the unexplored, the unexpected, the thing that is hidden and the changeless thing that lurks behind superficial mutability. To trace the remote in the immediate; the eternal in the ephemeral; the past in the present; the infinite in the finite; these are to me the springs of delight and beauty.” ~ H.P. Lovecraft

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
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    What is this?
    Provocation?
    Flirtation?
    Concatenation?
    Since you ended with a period, I can only surmise that your intentions were not humorous…

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    Science is not perfect. It always needs revision, due to new information from better technology and more accurate models. But this doesn’t mean that the whole theory is wrong, and it certainly doesn’t mean that the void between knowledge and reality should immediately be filled with god, Jesus, or whatever belief you hold.
    A giant quasar cluster does not argue for god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanton Moore View Post
    What is this?
    Provocation?
    Flirtation?
    Concatenation?
    Since you ended with a period, I can only surmise that your intentions were not humorous…
    - .- .-.. -.- .. -. --. / .- -... --- ..- - / - .... . / -... .. --. / -... .- -. --. --..-- / .. / -.-. --- ..- .-.. -.. -. .----. - / ... - --- .--. / - .... .. -. -.- .. -. --. / .- -... --- ..- - / -.-- --- ..- .-.-.-
    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

    “Pleasure to me is wonder—the unexplored, the unexpected, the thing that is hidden and the changeless thing that lurks behind superficial mutability. To trace the remote in the immediate; the eternal in the ephemeral; the past in the present; the infinite in the finite; these are to me the springs of delight and beauty.” ~ H.P. Lovecraft

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    Auteur of binary provocation! Pointillist provoceteuse! This assault on my digi-person will be dealt with firmly after lunch!
    …__------__----____... :: :: :: … . . . . :
    SO THERE

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    Honestly when I saw this thread title I thought you were talking about the TV show.

    Edit: To stay on topic I believe God created the Big Bang which in turn created everything else. Or in broader terms, God created science and then let science do its thang. (◕‿◕✿) I don't see that option on the poll. Also the poll question is different from the question in the topic name - that's misleading sir!
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    This reminds me of the quote: “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence,” by Carl Sagan that my skepticism professor (cognitive neuroscience) lives by in his research and approach to all forms of understanding. Anecdotes need not apply. He appears like an ADHD-ridden ENTP to me… an interesting guy.

    The thing is… deep-rooted theories have had garnered consistent, published support, in which new, sufficiently robust theories could only accumulate through time and effort. Even when challenging theories with satisfactory evidence would arrive and successfully continue to be built, old theories could not be refuted without direct comparison. And many times, we do not have all of the resources to make this possible. It essentially starts out as one piece of evidence against lifetimes of published work; and sometimes, scientists are fundamentally alone in their endeavors.

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