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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    Nevertheless, by doing so you run the risk of basing your life on something meaningless.
    I'm pretty sure science can't tell me anything about the metaphysical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bedeviled1 View Post
    I appreciate that you said , I might be mistaken.
    Well, I can't say for certain anything as I haven't yet transcended.

    In all honesty, I can't claim myself to be an expert on the Bible; though I did promise myself to give a thorough read of the New Testament by the end of winter so as to make sure my views are correct (I'll also read a few gospels that haven't made it into the New Testament). Not that I haven't already read a big part of it, it's just that I haven't been paying attention to all the details before.
    Great men are like eagles, and build their nest on some lofty solitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    I'm pretty sure science can't tell me anything about the metaphysical.
    It can correlate mystical experience with neurosynaptic firing.
    For all that we have done, as a civilization, as individuals, the universe is not stable, and nor is any single thing within it. Stars consume themselves, the universe itself rushes apart, and we ourselves are composed of matter in constant flux. Colonies of cells in temporary alliance, replicating and decaying and housed within, an incandescent cloud of electrical impulses. This is reality, this is self knowledge, and the perception of it will, of course, make you dizzy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    It can correlate mystical experience with neurosynaptic firing.
    You know I was about to argue that it then ceases to be merely science by definition. However, I was reminded that science used to have a much broader meaning than dealing with materialism. In fact I'm quite a fan of the old "queen of the sciences."
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    Where is the line between materialism and spirituality then if our thoughts and emotions indeed our very being can be accessed physically?
    For all that we have done, as a civilization, as individuals, the universe is not stable, and nor is any single thing within it. Stars consume themselves, the universe itself rushes apart, and we ourselves are composed of matter in constant flux. Colonies of cells in temporary alliance, replicating and decaying and housed within, an incandescent cloud of electrical impulses. This is reality, this is self knowledge, and the perception of it will, of course, make you dizzy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post
    Assuming that apples don't make sense and oranges do perhaps.
    Nawh, that's not what I meant at all but good luck developing a theory of mind eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    What proven authority does the Bible have? i can't see that it has any, unless someone believes it with a clean conscience to be true. If you believe it is true, then you need to take pains to follow it, however.

    Science is a little different. It doesn't really matter whether you want to believe you're going to fly when you walk off a cliff, you will still fall, and the results will be observable by everyone who watches.
    To me its hard to dismiss the Bible completely. A lot of people believe that many of the historical facts have been confirmed by other historians so it doesnt change anything whether i believe it or not. what anyone belivies to be true is up to them but it doesnt make anything right or wrong. Me, Im just saying I cant put my trust completely in the hands of scientists. i will try to look at the evidence objectively but as for now I think theres too many links, each one depending on the other to say what happened a billion years ago. common sense says you can only theorize and guess that it happened. maybe it did, maybe not.

    There are things that have been proven (people cant fly without some assistance, Issac Newton) and some things that have not (the theories of global warming, evolution, the big bang...) Not to believe these things are fact is to be a heretic today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bedeviled1 View Post
    That too is a theory albeit a very interesting one, which I think the Hadron Collider? , as far as I can understand hasn't produced the particle they were looking for to join the theory of relativity and gravity. (Do not quote me on that)

    All these theories and mega number of examples and studies and trillions of dollars. But, were getting close. It seems with enough research you can have a theory on just about anything but if you just stop and look around then (I) wonder about just how valid they are.
    You know one thing that amazes me is a briar. Yes, they are made/evolved so they grab you in a way to hold on the more you pull. Hmmm, that's just something to me.
    Our most accurate scientific theory is quantum mechanics and it is accurate to ten decimal places and counting.

    Quantum mechanics is so accurate we can only describe it as a fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bedeviled1 View Post
    Yes I see but does all the scientific data prove for a fact that all this is definately beyond superstition or do you also have to have some faith in the system?
    Rather than faith, scientists have scepticism. And they are sceptical about their own data, their own theories, their own methods, and their own hypotheses. And this is how science progresses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Our most accurate scientific theory is quantum mechanics and it is accurate to ten decimal places and counting.

    Quantum mechanics is so accurate we can only describe it as a fact.
    we can only describe it as fact. so its fact, right? no. There are other words that would be accurate, fact aint one of them. If quantum physics was fact we would cease to spend billions of dollars to prove it and feed the world.
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