User Tag List

First 91011

Results 101 to 110 of 110

  1. #101
    Superwoman Red Herring's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    MBTI
    INTP
    Enneagram
    5w4 sp/sx
    Posts
    5,643

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    For instance, we see this today in Germany where the hierarchy are blocking even their own inquiry into child abuse, causing the public resignation of the catholic in charge of the enquiry as a matter of conscience.
    Ehm, no. I am definitely no friend of the church, but this is just factually wrong.

    The German Bishops Conference ordered an investigation into the German catholic church's history of child abuse (after a researcher in Munich found that there had been 9 times as many cases of abuse there as the local bishop officially knew about). They contracted the Criminological Research Institute of Lower Saxony - an independent research institute - to go through the files of the last 60 years for the entire country - a three year project and an attempt at repaiting their demages reputation.
    There were differences of opinion between some bishops and the head of the research center, Christian Pfeiffer, related to certain contract terms of different versions of the negotiated agreement (according to Pfeiffer the results have to be published in any case because many of the researchers are PhD students who need the publication in order to get their degree - on the other hand Pfeiffer also says the data protection concerns are made up because sensitive data was at no point going to leave the church and that he was fine with that but that some bishops didn't belief this; he claims the church added conditions to the agreement at a later point which the church denies while the church allegedly insisted on preapproving publications - supposedly due to data protection issues which are taken very seriously in German). Both parties acuse each other of lying and breaking the contract.
    The church decided to terminate the contract with the Criminological Research Institute and contract somebody else. They claim they just don't want to work with Mr. Pfeiffer due to personal differences and will get somebody else.

    Pfeiffer did not "publically resign as a matter of conscience", he was fired.
    The good life is one inspired by love and guided by knowledge. Neither love without knowledge, nor knowledge without love can produce a good life. - Bertrand Russell
    A herring's blog
    Johari / Nohari

  2. #102
    & Badger, Ratty and Toad Mole's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    18,524
    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    Ehm, no. I am definitely no friend of the church, but this is just factually wrong.

    The German Bishops Conference ordered an investigation into the German catholic church's history of child abuse (after a researcher in Munich found that there had been 9 times as many cases of abuse there as the local bishop officially knew about). They contracted the Criminological Research Institute of Lower Saxony - an independent research institute - to go through the files of the last 60 years for the entire country - a three year project and an attempt at repaiting their demages reputation.
    There were differences of opinion between some bishops and the head of the research center, Christian Pfeiffer, related to certain contract terms of different versions of the negotiated agreement (according to Pfeiffer the results have to be published in any case because many of the researchers are PhD students who need the publication in order to get their degree - on the other hand Pfeiffer also says the data protection concerns are made up because sensitive data was at no point going to leave the church and that he was fine with that but that some bishops didn't belief this; he claims the church added conditions to the agreement at a later point which the church denies while the church allegedly insisted on preapproving publications - supposedly due to data protection issues which are taken very seriously in German). Both parties acuse each other of lying and breaking the contract.
    The church decided to terminate the contract with the Criminological Research Institute and contract somebody else. They claim they just don't want to work with Mr. Pfeiffer due to personal differences and will get somebody else.

    Pfeiffer did not "publically resign as a matter of conscience", he was fired.
    I find it sad Herring that your response to me is to engage in an argument. You had three opportunities to publicly engage with me in an imaginative conversation with your felines, Holmes and Watson, but instead you prefer to pick an argument with me.

    I feel very sad about this, but worse, I am tempted to engage in an argument with you. But I find the thought of this debilitating and a betrayal of my values.

  3. #103
    Mojibake sprinkles's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    MBTI
    INFJ
    Posts
    2,968

    Default


  4. #104
    Senior Member bedeviled1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    207

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Of course this is the case, our religions supported slavery, misogyny and child abuse. And we have been emotionally and intellectully shaped by our religions.

    Our religions are also institutions who are loathe to give up their power, even when they are destroying the psyches of children in their care. For instance, we see this today in Germany where the hierarchy are blocking even their own inquiry into child abuse, causing the public resignation of the catholic in charge of the enquiry as a matter of conscience.

    Yes, Germany should follow the example of Ireland and Australia and have an independent judicial enquiry into institutional child abuse. It's plainly hopeless having the church investigating the church.
    I'm not just referring to the Catholic church. Surely you can see how countless missionaries have brought the heathen out of filth and diabolical practices such as cannibalisn and child sacrifice to moral and lawful living. To me its like throwing out the baby with the bath water to use such a blanket statement. There's lots of forms of bigotry.
    "May you live all the days of your life"

  5. #105
    Senior Member bedeviled1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    207

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    we know how time will end and roughly how long it will take.
    ?
    "May you live all the days of your life"

  6. #106
    Senior Member bedeviled1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    207

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    No.

    We know that with the gifted, in order to reach a higher integration, they go through a breakdown of their psyche.

    Of course most of us aren't gifted and so we hang onto a lower integration as though our lives depended on it.

    We prefer to hang onto misogyny, rape culture, child abuse and guns, rather than follow our conscience and reach for a higher integration. The price of intellectual and moral integrity is too high for most of us.
    Interesting but I think women get a fair shake and even have the upper hand in most of society. Its always been but they feel inferior when they are actually superior in a lot of ways. They are definately mans greatest weakness.
    "May you live all the days of your life"

  7. #107
    & Badger, Ratty and Toad Mole's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    18,524
    Quote Originally Posted by bedeviled1 View Post
    Surely you can see how countless missionaries have brought the heathen out of filth and diabolical practices such as cannibalisn and child sacrifice to moral and lawful living.
    Gosh, the Jesuit missionaries, "have brought the heathen out of filth and diabolical practices such as cannibalisn and child sacrifice to moral and lawful living", so you say, but in reality they have been forced to pay 6.1 million dollars in compensation to the tribal children of the north eastern USA for raping the children of whole tribes.

  8. #108
    & Badger, Ratty and Toad Mole's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    18,524
    Quote Originally Posted by bedeviled1 View Post
    Interesting but I think women get a fair shake and even have the upper hand in most of society. Its always been but they feel inferior when they are actually superior in a lot of ways. They are definately mans greatest weakness.
    And here we have misogyny and sexism writ bold.

  9. #109
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Enneagram
    5w6 sx/so
    Socionics
    Will
    Posts
    5,927

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by bedeviled1 View Post
    Interesting but I think women get a fair shake and even have the upper hand in most of society. Its always been but they feel inferior when they are actually superior in a lot of ways. They are definately mans greatest weakness.
    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    And here we have misogyny and sexism writ bold.
    I'm siding with Victor on this one. Anyone, regardless of gender can hold the reigns of authority over us, though it is our task not to submit to such barbarism, but rather to respect our differences and work together in the achievement of universal enlightenment, ultimately resulting in world peace. It follows that we must transcend our minds above such categories.

  10. #110
    Yup
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    MBTI
    Istj
    Posts
    1,516

    Default

    wow really? i believe common sense holds most answers.
    "I'm not in this world to live up to your expectations and you're not in this world to live up to mine. "
    -Bruce Lee

Similar Threads

  1. The Bible has credibility even among athiests? Hell idk
    By professor goodstain in forum Philosophy and Spirituality
    Replies: 27
    Last Post: 04-20-2009, 12:17 AM
  2. 'The Bible is no longer considered part of the conversation'
    By Sniffles in forum Philosophy and Spirituality
    Replies: 172
    Last Post: 04-17-2009, 08:36 AM
  3. How literally should the Bible be interpreted?
    By Kiddo in forum Philosophy and Spirituality
    Replies: 130
    Last Post: 02-02-2008, 07:32 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO