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    Quote Originally Posted by Brendan View Post
    Your view of Macs is fairly outdated. Several Mac machines can run Windows Vista (better than the majority of purpose-built Vista PCs). And what's great about it is you can have both Vista and OS X Leopard on the same system. Also, all the iWork applications (Pages, Numbers, Keynote) not only just do more than their windows counterparts of Word, Excel and Powerpoint, but files started in the former can be opened without any problem in the latter. Also, a surprising amount of games are being made compatible with Macs, or have Mac compatible versions. Civ IV and its expansion packs, for instance. Macs will run faster over time, because they don't needlessly waste space with a System Restore feature. Macs are intuitive and incredibly easy to use.

    You won't get a virus with a Mac, you'll have amazing customer support, and I just think it's better to spend $1100 on a not-top-of-the-line but still very well-built machine in the form of a MacBook or iMac that will last you 6 or 7 years than some $400 piece from Dell that will run like a 70 year old asthmatic in a year.

    I guess what I'm getting at is; what have you got to lose? You can book a personal shopping appointment at any Apple Store and you'll have a Specialist all to yourself for half an hour, and they'll stay with you longer if time allows, to answer any questions you have. I mean, what's the harm in simply going to check one out?
    No, it's mostly just the money thing. Those other reasons are reasons why it's not worth the price difference.
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    What am I missing? Even if OEM, a legal Windows operating system represents one-third to nearly one-half her cost.

    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    I'm a PC user who will not be swayed to Apple.
    I was once like you. Then Macbook Pro entered my life.

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    why do people oppose macs so adamantly ?
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    Drawing from my own experience: price, certain library restrictions and centralized hardware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by htb View Post
    Drawing from my own experience: price, certain library restrictions and centralized hardware.
    Agreed... unfortunately, there's also another sillier reason... they've just become inured to the Windows start bar, and min, max, close buttons at the top right of the screen configured in that Windows style... the right-click function of the Windows-oriented mouse... the way one accesses the Control Panel and tweaks the system... for a PC -> Mac switch, the sort of two to three-week crash course in deeper Mac use, and the time it takes to get used to a different interface, is just too much of a waste of time... too painful... plus the price differential and library restrictions in particular?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AvereX View Post
    why do people oppose macs so adamantly ?
    The answers from one ardent PC fan who is familiar with both. I'm in a creative field and frequently encounter a Mac environment at work.

    1. Ease of use. Despite conventional wisdom, I find PCs to be vastly more intuitive than Macs, and that is Apple's #1 selling point. I find PCs to operate very logically. I concede that this may be a personal preference.

    2. Hardware reliability. I'm on my 4th PC, and I've required service exactly twice, once because I dropped it and broke the screen. I don't know anyone with a Mac that has not had it serviced or replaced by Apple at least once. I realize this is anecdotal evidence, but I know a lot of Mac users and I find it convincing.

    3. Flexibility. At least with desktops, a PC is a tinkerer's dream. Parts are easily replaced or upgraded by anyone with a screwdriver and half a brain.

    4. Price. I know it's been beaten to death, but it bears repeating. For an average of twice the price to get the same computing power, a Mac needs to clearly separate itself. Based on the above, it does not.

    In Mac's favor, I'll give it style points. I also think the discrepancy in software libraries is overblown (primarily because I'm not a gamer.) Macs are also better for graphic applications.

    But none of these advantages are enough to tip the balance for me, even though graphic design and photography are hobbies of mine. PCs seem like a computing decision, while Macs seem like a lifestyle decision. To a certain extent, I feel that the satisfaction of Mac users is related to their scarcity. Just like fans of indie music or art films, Mac users enjoy the feeling that they're in a secret club that most people aren't astute enough to join.
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    people at work who work in the film industry [ hint ] say that juxtaposed to Macs, PC's are

    ~ slow , too vulnerable to viruses

    i concede on their behalf that this may be subjective
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    Quote Originally Posted by EffEmDoubleyou View Post
    Just like fans of indie music or art films, Mac users enjoy the feeling that they're in a secret club that most people aren't astute enough to join.
    I'm no better or worse for being a Mac user, and neither are anyone else for being so or not, at least from my perspective.

    I use a Mac because I do graphic arts and pro audio. In my experience, those things happen best on a Mac. I have been an Apple computer owner for 31 years running, and my experience with the company has been good to say the least. I've never had a problem with any of my machines, including the 10-year-old Mac this is being typed on.

    One thing is for sure - if I am special in any way, it is because of the skillset I have cultivated, not because of the brand of computer I choose to use. It is, after all, just a tool.

    As it concerns the indie music and art films, I like each because they oftentimes speak to my person. I'm no better/hipper/more astute for liking them, and no one else is less so if they are into something else.

    I've always felt a certain confusion and disappointment when someone's love of this or that is in part the social currency gained from loving this versus that. I don't value that kind of appreciation.

    What you said is not incorrect for some Mac users. I am not one of them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by aeon View Post
    I've always felt a certain confusion and disappointment when someone's love of this or that is in part the social currency gained from loving this versus that. I don't value that kind of appreciation.

    What you said is not incorrect for some Mac users. I am not one of them.


    cheers,
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    I may have spoken too broadly. I intended only to characterize a collective impression, not to indict a mass of individuals. If you're not one of them, I'm sorry.
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    Default Macs are Catholic

    Apple Mac is not a computer, it is a religion.

    And it is a sectarian religion to boot as Mac is Catholic and PC is Protestant.

    For Apple invented icons, just like Catholic icons.

    And Mac is so easy to use there is no need to read the manual, just as Catholicism is so user friendly, there is no need to read the Bible.

    And just as Protestantism can't be practised without reading the Bible, you need to read the manual to use a PC.

    But the killer is that Macs are used in Heaven while PCs are used in the Other Place.

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