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    Look guys we are the absolute pinnacle of evolution, THE selected, most loved by the on high, we're damn awesome!!

    Dead end is not something associated with us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Look guys we are the absolute pinnacle of evolution, THE selected, most loved by the on high, we're damn awesome!!

    Dead end is not something associated with us.
    We are not the 'pinnacle of evolution'. the process continues until extinction.
    Sorry that reality is difficult to understand. Keep reading though!

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    The infinite perspective says that it's irrational to think otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Look guys we are the absolute pinnacle of evolution, THE selected, most loved by the on high, we're damn awesome!!

    Dead end is not something associated with us.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stanton Moore View Post
    We are not the 'pinnacle of evolution'. the process continues until extinction.
    Sorry that reality is difficult to understand. Keep reading though!
    The tension between these two positions is 'we' vs 'I'. That is, if we aren't, then who is? It leads to conclusions some will disagree with, necessarily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xisnotx View Post
    The tension between these two positions is 'we' vs 'I'. That is, if we aren't, then who is? It leads to conclusions some will disagree with, necessarily.
    Who is the pinnacle of evolution? the question itself presupposes knowledge of the endpoint, and if you believe that 'someone' of 'something' can know that, then you have a tacit belief in a higher power.
    the only tension I perceive is between dogma and observation, what we wish to be true (because our inner-6-year-old cannot conceive of, or admit to, any other answer) and what we see to be so though open eyes and intelligence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanton Moore View Post
    Who is The pinnacle of evolution? the question itself presupposes knowledge of the endpoint, and if you believe that 'someone' of 'something' can know that, then you have a tacit belief in a higher power.
    the only tension I perceive is between dogma and observation, what we wish to be true (because our inner-6-year-old cannot conceive of, or admit to, any other answer) and what we see to be so though open eyes and intelligence.
    You don't have to know the ends to know what means are likelier to meet them. If 'we' aren't, and evolution is a given, then the things on which evolution is occurring are likelier to lead to the end, whatever that will be.

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    Natural selection doesn't have an end, it doesn't have a purpose, it is not teleological. It is merely vanity on our part to think that natural selection has led to us, and our vanity completely misunderstands evolution.

    We fancy ourselves as created by God in His image, and so we imagine He created evolution as a way of creating us. But this is mere fancy.

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    Unless humanity can manage to leave this planet prior to civilisation collapse through resource depletion then it is fair that we can eventually evolve into "higher" beings: Space aliens, cyborgs etc.

    A move to a more primitive lifeform is still an evolution so in an event where a small human population is forced back into the wild then humanity may evolve back into the wild; losing its ability to innovate in favour of sensory data and probably ending up either as an ape similar in character to modern Chimpanzees or Gorillas or will eventually evolve to resemble other mammals e.g. Dogs or Cats. It's all just a game of random mutation where the environment decides whether its good, bad or irrelevant to survival. Mutations occur in every lifeform, they're just waiting to see if mother nature would give them the stamp of approval.

    Humanity isn't an evolutionary dead end but that does not mean it will survive either.

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    And what is it that makes a human a human exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little_Sticks View Post
    And what is it that makes a human a human exactly?
    Do you mean in terms of a human as a member of H. sapiens, or do you mean human as in a being with the philosophical human condition?

    The former is easy to answer. The latter, not so much.

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