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    Computer conscience is an evolutionary process.

    First the program is an algorithm, then the algorithm is programmed to capture data, the data is then added to the algorithm and the algorithm becomes larger. Eventually the data that is captured is large enough ad willing to work with the original algorrithm to create a pattern, the pattern eventually turns into a habit and when a problem should occur a solution is found and new patterns are formed and new habits are formed.

    That's what the conscience sort of is, many habits emanating from one source. Of course to speed up the evolutionary process human intervention will be a necessity.
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    I don't think so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nales View Post
    Would you qualify Cleverbot as an attempt to do this? From what I know, Cleverbot learns from the interactions humans have with it, and processes this information to mimic a real conversation. The Turing test is used to estimate how close the bot is to a real human.
    Turing does not test for consciousness. Also, Cleverbot is misnamed.

    The fact is, we do not even understand what consciousness is let alone what kind of substrate/algorithm might be required to generate it.

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    Yeah but run a shanon entropy plot on the complexity of say languages and you ll see that dolphins etc come no where near humans and we just so happen to also be the guys with the thunder sticks and the harpoons and the spaceships
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    if your talking about the internet as a whole.. i don't think so.

    my theory is that self-consciousness is actually an evolutionary side affect of social consciousness:
    we have evolved to understand the most dominant and influencing object in our environment, it just so happens that we are the same kind of object. the internet's survival, at this point, does not depend on it's ability to fathom the inner working of other global information networks. maybe if it would meet E.T. internet's :p

    if your talking about AI in general... sentient software that might surf the internet, i think the answer is yes, it would happen eventually. even if we never come up with enough self understanding our own sentience enough to program it, we always have the last resort of understanding the biochemistry to create the rule-set and scanning a human brain to apply the rules too.

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    Once we understand and accept that our own consciousness is essentially an illusion, we will stop fearing/hoping for sentience in machines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    Once we understand and accept that our own consciousness is essentially an illusion, we will stop fearing/hoping for sentience in machines.
    does it matter? it's a vague concept we use to refer to something we see in ourselves and other members of society. get a working copy of a human and you pretty much copied whatever it is that make us think of the concept consciousness when we communicate to other people. there's no need to get into philosophy, just computing, FMRI resolutions and a better understanding of cellular biology.

    and hey, if we try that enough time and fail, awesome, we found that we don't understand the whole story and that that's much more interesting in itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post
    does it matter? it's a vague concept we use to refer to something we see in ourselves and other members of society. get a working copy of a human and you pretty much copied whatever it is that make us think of the concept consciousness when we communicate to other people. there's no need to get into philosophy, just computing, FMRI resolutions and a better understanding of cellular biology.

    and hey, if we try that enough time and fail, awesome, we found that we don't understand the whole story and that that's much more interesting in itself.
    Of course it matters.

    It's pretty difficult to talk about consciousness (or the interesting features thereof) without getting into philosophy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    Of course it matters.

    It's pretty difficult to talk about consciousness (or the interesting features thereof) without getting into philosophy.
    to talk about it? sure, but just because someone believes oranges have souls or spirits or spiritual papaya's doesn't mean you need to know anything about any of those things to breed an orange tree, study how it grows and works, maybe go through it's DNA, fold it's protein structures, or recreate it's laws and variables.

    and if you can do it, then people who recognize those spiritual papaya's within oranges are going to recognize it in whatever you create..
    and whatever reasons they had to fear it or want it will still stand.


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    Pretty difficult to create something you don't believe exists.
    (though not impossible)

    Consciousness is the "Hard Problem" specifically because it isn't like an orange tree, it doesn't have DNA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    Consciousness is the "Hard Problem" specifically because it isn't like an orange tree, it doesn't have DNA.
    exactly, it's not the orange tree, it's just something people see in orange trees.

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