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    Quote Originally Posted by noigmn View Post
    If Newton became a farmer would someone have discovered things like modern calculus within the next century? Aristotle went pretty close but there were almost two millenniums between them.
    Calculus is a weird one because Leibniz developed it about the same time that Newton did. Although the tale is that Newton said something to Leibniz that got him thinking about it, so no telling if Leibniz would have thought to go in that direction without Newton. Also I believe you are thinking of Archimedes rather than Aristotle. Archimedes developed the integral side of calculus. The differential side was developed by Fermat (and maybe a couple of contemporaries). Newton's main discovery was that you could link the two parts together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    Calculus is a weird one because Leibniz developed it about the same time that Newton did. Although the tale is that Newton said something to Leibniz that got him thinking about it, so no telling if Leibniz would have thought to go in that direction without Newton. Also I believe you are thinking of Archimedes rather than Aristotle. Archimedes developed the integral side of calculus. The differential side was developed by Fermat (and maybe a couple of contemporaries). Newton's main discovery was that you could link the two parts together.
    Yeh, I'd forgotten about Leibniz. I remember our lecturer telling us that story. Thanks for the correction also, I did mean Archimedes, not sure how Aristotle ended up there. I think it may have been cause I saw his name in the post history as I was typing it. Either way, I figure Newton was one of those guys history would have changed significantly without.

    p.s. You've got pretty good knowledge on these things. Was it interest, or did you study something in the area?
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    Quote Originally Posted by noigmn View Post
    p.s. You've got pretty good knowledge on these things. Was it interest, or did you study something in the area?
    I have a MS in mathematics, but I tend to gradually gather historical details about various subjects in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noigmn View Post
    Written language (+paper and the pen) might be the most significant thing humans have ever invented. And might still be the most significant thing we have. I couldn't imagine anyone these days looking at words and saying "wow, it's written language!". But the ability to write and draw things is the very basis of our ability to think symbolically, which is the basis of our ability to understand, solve and discover new and complex things. Before computers it was also our best way of retaining knowledge over long periods, and sharing it in a form which allowed analysis.
    This is an interesting point that I hadn’t considered. If not for the invention of written language it would be impossible to store complex scientific, mathematical, and artistic ideas in order to transfer them between generations.

    If Newton became a farmer would someone have discovered things like modern calculus within the next century? Aristotle went pretty close but there were almost two millenniums between them.
    What you’ve mentioned is the debate between proponents of the Great Man Theory and the People’s History. I’d imagine that it’s a combination of the two factors, with a bias towards the unusual abilities of the person involved. It has become common in historical study to assume that if Edison, for instance, had not invented the practical light bulb, that someone else would have done so and history would be much the same. But, as you mentioned, this just doesn’t seem to be true. If the airplane had been invented by someone else just ten years later than we would have seen an extremely different World War I, if the conflict would even have occurred at all. Likewise, the 2nd World War would have ended very differently if someone other than Oppenheimer and his team had been the first to develop the atomic bomb.

    You also have extremely disadvantaged individuals such as Michael Faraday and Srinivasa Ramanujan who nonetheless accomplished far more than the typical upper middle class, Harvard graduate. So it would seem strange to say that they simply became lucky.
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