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  • N Mac (all Operating Systems)

    29 36.25%
  • S Mac (all Operating Systems)

    4 5.00%
  • N PC (all Operating Systems)

    48 60.00%
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    11 13.75%
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    I primarily use PC, but that's because I come from a gaming family and Mac really isn't the best choice for that. For general purpose using, and programming and the like, I use Linux.
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    Thanks all (or most) for the rational responses!

    A few responses are so ridiculously and irrationally, self-righteous and prejudiced that they are not worth the keystrokes to comment. I am honestly astonished at how closed minded some supposedly intelligent people are!
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    I like both to be honest; I think for laptops I would prefer to go with the Mac for work/professional purposes and a PC for a home desktop. With the Mac the interface just makes it really easy for me to keep organized, and as the laptop it's lightweight and easily portable; perfect for work/school related life.

    With the PC it's simply that the gaming market has been pretty solidly in the PC camp for longer, so it gives me more bang for my buck in terms of of what I would want out of a non-work computer. Games i think are still primarily developed from PC-focused developers. There are also still some hurdles to overcome in order to make it easy to develop games for the Mac because, so you can get higher gaming performance for cheaper on a PC. Graphics cards designed for the PC are arguably better than those designed for Macs, and unless you're opting for one of the higher-end Macs, you don't have the option to upgrade. Sure they're capable of running the games I want to play, but considering how much easier and cheaper it is I'm better off with the PC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InsatiableCuriosity View Post
    Thanks all (or most) for the rational responses!

    A few responses are so ridiculously and irrationally, self-righteous and prejudiced that they are not worth the keystrokes to comment. I am honestly astonished at how closed minded some supposedly intelligent people are!
    What's a rational response? Anyone that has a mac?

    You exhibit some of the problems I have with the Apple faithful, not Apple itself. Some of you resemble door to door Jehovah's Witnesses that try to preach the Truth about computing salvation, and anyone that thinks otherwise is a closed minded simpleton and you talk to them in a very condescending manner.

    Look, the Apple platform is good. I recommend Macs to people who would benefit from them all the time, simply because they're great for the average user. But it's really not for everybody.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    What's a rational response? Anyone that has a mac?
    I have no problems at all with the fact that some prefer PCs - I only have a problem with the fact that many PC users seem to have a problem with those making Macs and those owning them.

    You exhibit some of the problems I have with the Apple faithful, not Apple itself. Some of you resemble door to door Jehovah's Witnesses that try to preach the Truth about computing salvation, and anyone that thinks otherwise is a closed minded simpleton and you talk to them in a very condescending manner.
    ...goodness me, touched a nerve did I? Come on - you and I and the majority of people who have ever been involved in such a discussion know that anyone who admits to owning a Mac and enjoying the experience is going to be harangued by those among the PC and Microsoft faithful who are either uninformed or ignorant or both.

    I accept that but don't have to believe that grown up minds think that way.
    I use a Mac because that is what my industry evolved using. It is still what the Printing & Graphic Arts have as a preferred platform globally and therefore what I teach.

    I ensure that I teach cross platform solutions in terms of operation and shortcuts.

    Do you have a problem with the fact that I enjoy the experience?

    Look, the Apple platform is good. I recommend Macs to people who would benefit from them all the time, simply because they're great for the average user. But it's really not for everybody.
    Good for you! I don't recommend platforms to anyone except from the perspective that it is a lot easier to find work in the graphics industry globally if you know and understand how to operate both and recognise the potential issues cross-platform.

    I accept that it isn't for everybody - I don't believe anyone ever heard me say I did??? If you read my original post you will read my reasoning for this thread and perhaps better understand my curiosity - for which I make no apology by the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InsatiableCuriosity View Post


    ...goodness me, touched a nerve did I? Come on - you and I and the majority of people who have ever been involved in such a discussion know that anyone who admits to owning a PC and enjoying the experience is going to be harangued by those among the Mac and Apple faithful who are either uninformed or ignorant or both.
    Fixed to align with my experience Try going through college with liberal arts friends and not be constantly under attack from the Mac snobs.

    It might just be my demographic. In my "group" it's cooler to own a Mac and when you do, you're all of a sudden far more cultured and creative and hip. I hear the same talking points, like "BSOD," "OMG I DOWNLOADED ALL THIS PORN AND GOT SO MANY VIRUSES, FUCK MICROSOFT," "I CAN'T DEAL WITH RIGHT CLICKING" and it makes my ears bleed. Since you seem to be more along the productivity profession, your experience is the opposite, I assume?

    The thing is, I've never known a group so eager to try to convert the unbelievers, and some of the language you use is reminiscent of that attitude, though I don't believe it's your intention. I might just be reading into it though.

    I accept that but don't have to believe that grown up minds think that way.
    I use a Mac because that is what my industry evolved using. It is still what the Printing & Graphic Arts have as a preferred platform globally and therefore what I teach.

    I ensure that I teach cross platform solutions in terms of operation and shortcuts.

    Do you have a problem with the fact that I enjoy the experience?
    None at all.



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    Problem with that line of reasoning Jock is that one automatically becomes part of a group the minute they purchase a Mac.

    If you impartially judge InsatiableCuriosity's posts I don't think you'll find much preachiness in that.

    I will say I'm prone to recommending the Mac a lot, just because it was a paradigm shift in the way I usually used my computer and it is something I'd like others to experience as well. If you wanna play games, I'll tell you to buy a PC. If not, knowing at the end of the day it will always be subjective, I will still present the ways why I think it can be better.

    If I hear anti-Mac comments I will partake in the name calling to an extent just because of how all the ridiculousness makes me laugh inside. If I hear anti-PC comments I won't argue with them unless they are unfounded. But I can't hide the fact I think Mac is better in general usage. If there is a game or a program that is offered for PC and not Mac that's another issue....but it comes from the fact most people are "forced" by the market to get PCs from the get go, so they have no means to objectively decide sometimes.

    Anyways, I don't really give a shit. But I don't understand that "it makes you hip mentality". I tend to find the "I'm a PC, I'm a Mac" adds ridiculous...but they are funny. Don't like the idea behind them though...but I never cared for how Apple marketed itself as cool. But I could say that about any company really. All I know is that Mac OS has revolutionized the way I've used a computer. And that it's ease of use is inline with what I think computers should be.

    Whatever, I'm bored now. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    Fixed to align with my experience Try going through college with liberal arts friends and not be constantly under attack from the Mac snobs.

    It might just be my demographic. In my "group" it's cooler to own a Mac and when you do, you're all of a sudden far more cultured and creative and hip. I hear the same talking points, like "BSOD," "OMG I DOWNLOADED ALL THIS PORN AND GOT SO MANY VIRUSES, FUCK MICROSOFT," "I CAN'T DEAL WITH RIGHT CLICKING" and it makes my ears bleed. Since you seem to be more along the productivity profession, your experience is the opposite, I assume?
    How the times have changed!! The platform was once only the haven for creatives and academics and nutter entrepreneurs. As MacOS was out three years before Windows, and was amusingly called a toy OS by those who eventually moved to GUI and mice via Windows, the modern graphics industry grew out of the GUI Apple acquired from Xerox PARC.

    Despite evolution of both OSs, it continues to be easier to manage fonts and cross platform files on the Mac for the Design industry. There are more issues but you get what I mean.

    The thing is, I've never known a group so eager to try to convert the unbelievers, and some of the language you use is reminiscent of that attitude, though I don't believe it's your intention. I might just be reading into it though.
    None at all.
    It is only the ignorant who see an answer as THE answer and those very same Mac owners will eventually grow out of it and be driven by whatever is the most practical AND cost effective AND comfortable experience suits them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    If there is a game or a program that is offered for PC and not Mac that's another issue....but it comes from the fact most people are "forced" by the market to get PCs from the get go, so they have no means to objectively decide sometimes.
    They're not just influenced by software availability, they are also influenced by economics. PCs are much more affordable. Macs are a luxury.

    I think some Mac evangelists are blind to this reality. I find Mac evangelists to be really annoying, even more annoying than Linux evangelists (at least Linux is free).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    They're not just influenced by software availability, they are also influenced by economics. PCs are much more affordable. Macs are a luxury.

    I think some Mac evangelists are blind to this reality. I find Mac evangelists to be really annoying, even more annoying than Linux evangelists (at least Linux is free).
    The price thing is less clear cut than some make it to be. I have a Macbook Pro for almost 5 years now and it still runs as fast if not faster (taking advantage of the new OSs) then ever before. Now you could say...big deal...but from years of experience with PCs I got say it's refreshing. It's still a competent 3d modeling tool too.

    If I'm going to buy something for the long run, I personally don't mind paying more. It has to do with expectations too. Besides, in these 5 years I've had lots of friends using the price argument...but bought 2 or more laptops while I sticked with the same one.

    Whatever floats one's boat. PC traditionalists can be annoying in their own way too. Don't let evangelists get all the credit.

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