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  • N Mac (all Operating Systems)

    29 36.25%
  • S Mac (all Operating Systems)

    4 5.00%
  • N PC (all Operating Systems)

    48 60.00%
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    11 13.75%
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    I'm actually surprised at the poll results...

    So many Ns and so many Macs? (25 Mac, 48 PC as of right now.)

    Hmm.. that doesn't reflect the market share at all.

    And all those Ns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abstract Thinker View Post
    I'm actually surprised at the poll results...

    So many Ns and so many Macs? (25 Mac, 48 PC as of right now.)

    Hmm.. that doesn't reflect the market share at all.

    And all those Ns?
    This forum doesn't reflect the general population. Never learned statistics?


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    Have both LOVE my Mac . . . PC? meh!

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    I prefer mac & use a macbook pro laptop. I'm a graphic designer & it's pretty much industry standard & what I am used to. I like the simplicity, clean design aesthetic of the OS & the actual hardware, intuitive feel of use, and the apps it comes with (I'm more interested in creative stuff like video editing & DVD menu design than playing stupid games). I've had my macbook pro for 3+ years and it still runs great.

    I admit that Windows 7 is much, much better than that awful Vista, but I also see some Mac OS ripoffs that served as major improvements, speaking from a user & aesthetic design perspective (I am not a technical person). It's a lot less cluttered looking & feels more "organized", which immediately makes it easier for me to use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abstract Thinker View Post
    I tried to stay out of this platform war, but there has been so much misinformation and absurd generalizations about the Mac and Mac users, that I just can't stand it any more.

    (As an INFP, I avoided the conflict until I actually felt offended. Maybe there is some truth to MBTI?)

    Anyway... I can't speak for any other Mac users, but I don't use a Mac because it's cool, I use it for the following reasons, and this will be a very incomplete list:

    1 - The Mac OS is not serialized. I'll say it another way: there is NO serial number associated withe Mac OS. No "25 character code" plastered all over the machine, inside AND out. Why? It's irrelevant, because the Mac OS only runs on Macs, so there's no need to serialize it. Effectively, the Mac OS is FREE, because you have to have a Mac to use it, and you can only get a Mac from Apple. So what difference does that make? Plenty: There is no "validation assistant" (or whatever they call it) for the Mac OS constantly running in the background. That means there is NO code bloating the OS to make sure we haven't stolen it. How many clock cycles do you think are wasted every day on a PC, constantly checking that you're running a "valid" OS? Plenty, I assure you.

    2 - No Viruses. Not because "it's not worth it for hackers to make a virus for the Mac" either. It's because it runs on a UNIX kernel, which is the oldest, most mature, and most secure OS in the world. Period.

    3 - The people who write the OS are right down the hall from the people who design the machine. So it just works. Unlike Microsoft, Apple engineers don't have to build in countless abstraction layers to make sure it will run on literally thousands of different machine configurations. The Mac OS knows what hardware it will run on, and it knows how to make it work. Which leads me to number four:

    4 - I'm a professional video editor. I use Final Cut Studio for video, and Logic Studio for audio. These are both Apple products. So again, the software folks KNOW what hardware the software will be running on, so it works perfectly. And I mean that... perfectly. Never crashes, ever.

    5 - Updates. Sheesh. Here we go. I get maybe one or two automatic software updates from Apple a month. Again, because they know the system. They don't have to account for every possible permutation of hardware configurations out there to keep the thing running.

    6 - The hardware is simply superior. Yes, it's more expensive, but by any measure, it's a better investment. I'm typing this on a new MacBook Pro, but I'm looking at my seven year old PowerBook sitting over on my desk. Yes, SEVEN years old, and it still runs exactly like it did the day I bought it... perfectly. Macs rarely break. They DO break, everything does... entropy sees to that, but Macs break less.

    7 - It's beautiful, and yes, that does matter. This is not a window air conditioner or a tire iron in my trunk that is simply a tool. This is something that I (and many of you) spend at least eight hours a day using. It's a part of me, like it or not. I like the fact that it is carved from a single block of aluminum, which makes it sleek and durable. I like the fact that the LED screen dims automatically when I bring it home from my brightly lit office to my dark and cozy INFP cave. I like the fact that the keys light up inverse-proportionally to the ambient light in the room. I can use this thing in pitch black -- the screen dims and the keys light up. I can also use it in broad daylight -- the screen gets incredibly bright and the keys don't light up... they don't need to. Saves the battery, which leads me to number eight:

    8 - Battery life is incredible. Seven, eight hours. Why? Because there are TWO video cards in this box. A fast one when I'm plugged in, and a less power hungry one when I'm not. Do I see a speed difference? No. Which leads me to another silly statement I saw earlier..

    9 - No, I don't really care about the specs. I KNOW that a modern Mac will be as fast as I need it to be. I do know the specs though, fwiw: 3.06 GHz Intel Core Duo, 8GB RAM, 500 GB hard drive. Is that the fastest in the world? Who knows? Not me. Don't care. I just get my work done.

    10 - Sleep and wake up. OMG... this is a big one for me. When I tell my Mac to go to sleep so I can disconnect from my gorgeous 24" LED Apple monitor and take it home, it goes to sleep instantly. No waiting for whatever mayhem is going on in the background of PCs when I tell it to sleep. And when I get home and lift the non-latched but smooth and tightly closed lid to use it again, it wakes up in less than a second. Yes, less than a second. It's ready to go before I am.

    11 - Ergonomics. Wow, this could be a whole post in and of itself. Let's see... there's NO protrusions from the case, open or closed. Nothing to get caught on my backback or my clothes. No silly doors all over the place. No door for the double layer DVD burner. I love the GLASS trackpad with no buttons that recognizes two, three, and four-fingered gestures. Smooth as, well, glass.

    12 - An even dozen... I just like it better, and I've earned the right to choose. I've got a PC at work too. A modern, fast ThinkPad. It's okay and I could use it in a pinch, but honestly, I haven't opened the lid in a month. It basically holds my coffee cup. And to ward off at least a couple of the attacks I'm sure will come... I've been using both platforms since the day they were invented. I have a BS in Computer Engineering, 1987. I've used the Mac since 1984, and I've used PCs since before they had mice. This is not an emotional decision for me. This is not me trying to be cool. This is me using the best computer I have at my disposal.

    Now, all that having been said, I have great respect for Microsoft and their OS. It says TONS about their brilliance that they can even get it to work with all the abstractions they have to make. Keep in mind that Microsoft has never built a computer. Never. It blows my mind that Windows runs on so many configurations. But it is, for that very reason, and in my educated and experienced opinion, an inferior OS. It is FORCED to be too many things for too many machines.

    Whew! Heart rate slowing, fixin to chill and watch a great movie... "Garden State" anyone? I'm just a mushy, gushy INFP, but I do know computers.

    Listen: I sincerely hope I have not offended any of my PC using friends. I DO NOT look down on you for the system you use. I have made my choice of computers, and for my own reasons... as have you. I do not judge. I just cut video.

    Okay. Cheers, and let the flames begin.

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    I with him on this one. Thanks, you said it all so well. May I use it in future? (Credit ascribed of course.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abstract Thinker View Post
    Uh oh... one thing (and this is more Apple/Adobe than Mac/PC):

    In regards to the HD statement, I assume you're talking about AVCHD? Maybe, maybe not. But don't forget about the wonderful ProRes 422 and 4444 codecs of Apple's. At least 140Mbps and real-time multi-stream decompression, even on a laptop. I convert my HD footage (and SD on the same timeline!) to that realm and it's clear sailing.

    Anyway...

    I hear there's a major upgrade to Final Cut Studio coming soon, and I think the HD playing field will be evened out again. Or maybe Apple will leapfrog Adobe. You know that's how they play that particular game.
    Yeah, I was referring to AVCHD. I like Pro Res but I don't like the amount of drive space it takes up. AVCHD doesn't have that problem (though you need a much more powerful processor.)

    Adobe also has native support for Red's codec which I think Final Cut was still lacking at least in Final Cut 6
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    Quote Originally Posted by raz View Post
    This forum doesn't reflect the general population. Never learned statistics?
    Exactly. It's sampling error. I'd wager that the people who are active on this forum are smarter and more tech-savvy than the general population. (Probably also nerdier. )

    Quote Originally Posted by Abstract Thinker View Post
    7 - It's beautiful, and yes, that does matter.
    :steam: Way to assume that everyone shares your priorities (and your aesthetic sensibilities!). Appearance is not a selling point to me at all. It really doesn't matter to me what my computer looks like, as long as it gets the job done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blossom500 View Post
    I with him on this one. Thanks, you said it all so well. May I use it in future? (Credit ascribed of course.)
    Thanks! Of course you can use it, and no credit required... don't care about that. Just care about being understood.

    And to that end...

    Quote Originally Posted by mnestic View Post
    :steam: Way to assume that everyone shares your priorities (and your aesthetic sensibilities!). Appearance is not a selling point to me at all. It really doesn't matter to me what my computer looks like, as long as it gets the job done.
    Argh! That's not what I meant at all. No assumptions made. Read my post -- I was just talking about why I choose to use a Mac. I think I made that pretty clear. Granted, it was a long post though.

    I guess I should have said "It's beautiful, and yes, that does matter to me" so I wouldn't offend the Sensors. Oh hush... I love you guys, but really... people call me sensitive?

    Oh well, this is what I get for jumping into a platform war.

    Like getting involved in a land war in Asia!

    (Anyone know what movie that's from?)

    Okay, back to battling code, when really I'm a video editor. But I'm also the de facto Drupal guy cuz I know more about it than anyone else here. Shouldn't have told them that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abstract Thinker View Post
    3 - The people who write the OS are right down the hall from the people who design the machine. So it just works. Unlike Microsoft, Apple engineers don't have to build in countless abstraction layers to make sure it will run on literally thousands of different machine configurations. The Mac OS knows what hardware it will run on, and it knows how to make it work.
    It's funny how much opinions can vary, because the huge number of configurations are exactly why I love Windows and Linux configurations, yet never even consider Mac an option for personal use.

    Different strokes I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pixelholic View Post
    Yeah, I was referring to AVCHD. I like Pro Res but I don't like the amount of drive space it takes up. AVCHD doesn't have that problem (though you need a much more powerful processor.)
    Yeah... that's always the trade off isn't it? Fast codecs make big files, and codecs that make small files need crazy horsepower. Ever tried editing H.264 directly on the timeline? Yikes. (Although that's an intra-frame thing too, but I digress.)

    And the FCP 6.01 update does edit AVCHD, albeit slowly. The great thing about FCP is all the real-time multi-stream smoothness, even with filters applied, but you have to use 422, 4444, DV, or HDV. The cool thing is though that the conversion to 422 is very fast in Apple Compressor, so it's not that big a deal if you have the drive space. And wow, once you're in 422-land, it's a joy!

    Don't have a lot of experience with AVCHD though... I'm using a Canon XH-A1, so I'm still in the HDV world. Plus I've always been pretty old school about wanting to have tapes around as backup.

    Changing that tune though... Looking forward to Canon's new full HD MPEG-2 tapeless camera. Gonna get that one -- love that Canon glass, although they seem to lag behind in other areas! Anyway, that new camera seems like the best of both worlds, and they are (finally) getting MPEG-2 to like like it's capable of looking. It can look GREAT, just not on DVDs.

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