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    Quote Originally Posted by GemPOPGem View Post
    Oh i see, it's clearer what you mean now. I am not sure how likely many things are, but what i am talking about is possibilty. The what if question.
    Also as i understand it evolution would not be simply that people outbreed each other but more that they merge with some traits taking a stronger genetic role and yes a lot more time is needed to actually see what will happen in future generations.
    Could be. If autism-specific genotypes remain prevalent in the genome, that provides a basis for further development of the human genetic code, even if the autistic phenotype is not expressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Okay, I can see how having a percentage of the population which is really detail-oriented can benefit humanity. However, I can't see how a whole population of people being very detail-oriented is more effective than a mix of people who are and people who aren't, that's why I think it's difficult to configure such characteristics as an universal advancement in mankind.

    Anyway, my opinion (probably wrong, I can see the holes in this reasoning myself) is that any "mild" form of these psychological "dysfunctions" - ADD, autism, etc. would be better left undiagnosed, because it adds further pressure and it might erroneously lead a person to associate all his-her problems to his-her "condition".
    You are right, it wouldn't be advantagous - but evolution isn't smart, it's just statistics. A trait that is advantagous when small numbers of people have it will continue to spread through the population until it reaches a point where the cons equal the pros. It usually establishes an equilibrium that resists motion either way. Try to add in more, and the cons go up and the numbers go down. Try to remove it and the pros go up and the trait spreads again. Basically such genetic traits reach a point where they save as many people as they kill. I've always thought this represents a good argument against intelligent design, but that's a different thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GemPOPGem View Post
    So at age 15 i was aware of asd and had no other experience what so ever with anyone else with asd for many years. 5 years ago when i was most alert i met very few people with asd but did occaisionally meet parents of children with asd. Now 5 years on when i am not watching all the kids in the playground to see signs i meet them all over the place. This is not due to awareness this is due to a rise in asd cases.
    You know what they say, the plural of anecdote is not data.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    You know what they say, the plural of anecdote is not data.
    +1

    Good thing GemPOP isn't the president of the NIH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    You know what they say, the plural of anecdote is not data.
    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    +1
    Good thing GemPOP isn't the president of the NIH.
    data and the medical community. talk about irony.

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    It was said here an intelligence variable is not measured. I agree.
    Can you discount variability?
    No.
    Apropos can intelligence be measured at all?
    No.

    Intelligence is not a level or a degree.
    There were other good points raised in the thread.
    Is a diagnosis useful?

    School kids are removed from their homes in my country.
    I have read a hundred articles about the matter.
    There is a hundred articles. But only one story.

    The story goes like this.
    There is a different child in the classroom. Someone refuses to eat a certain food. Blah blah.
    The teacher contacts the police.
    The police contacts the social workers.
    The child is forcibly removed from his/her home.
    She is placed in a custody or care. In an institution.
    Against her will. Against the will of her family.

    In all of these cases, it was only later found the child was autistic.
    The diagnosis did not have a negative confluence.

    It was not about the label.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    It was said here an intelligence variable is not measured. I agree.
    Can you discount variability?
    No.
    Apropos can intelligence be measured at all?
    No.

    Intelligence is not a level or a degree.
    There were other good points raised in the thread.
    Is a diagnosis useful?

    School kids are removed from their homes in my country.
    I have read a hundred articles about the matter.
    There is a hundred articles. But only one story.

    The story goes like this.
    There is a different child in the classroom. Someone refuses to eat a certain food. Blah blah.
    The teacher contacts the police.
    The police contacts the social workers.
    The child is forcibly removed from his/her home.
    She is placed in a custody or care. In an institution.
    Against her will. Against the will of her family.

    In all of these cases, it was only later found the child was autistic.
    The diagnosis did not have a negative confluence.

    It was not about the label.
    OMG! Where do you live?? That sounds like something out of an old movie! :steam:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    You know what they say, the plural of anecdote is not data.
    Anecdotes are not data, but they play an important role in contributing to knowledge. An anecdote is a form of information. It is a form of evidence, to be given its due weight.
    "We knew he was someone who had a tragic flaw, that's where his greatness came from"

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    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    +1

    Good thing GemPOP isn't the president of the NIH.
    Interesting presumption.


    Autism Increase Not Due to Better Diagnosis


    and this

    Environmental Factor:February 2009:UC Davis Study Examines Rise in Autism Rates
    "We knew he was someone who had a tragic flaw, that's where his greatness came from"

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    Anecdotes turn into case studies which become the basis of the decision of which (variables/parameters/observables) are gathered to form "data". If you pick the wrong parameter to observe, your data is meaningless.

    When observing something as complex as a human with a developmental disorder, mental illness or even a personality typing theory, the initial anecdotes form the foundation. Not many folks are better suited to (people watching/behavioral trend identification) than an ENFP. The error rate will end up fairly high, but an enfp will see things an NT will miss. Their anecdotal observations are (complementary/supplementary/essential) to pure analysis of gathered data.

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