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    Senior Member Loxias's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by GemPOPGem View Post
    Maternal and paternal lineage?
    Normally both are included in one kit.

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    Or a more sceptical reason, sending two tests, one under a different name-to compare results?
    Hahaha, clever idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CzeCze View Post
    ^^ That is not too far off from what can and has happened. A black woman before the 1950s unknowingly had some cultures or blood samples taken for a routine check up used for some kind of major vaccination or disease study. Her original cell cultures/samples are invaluable/the backbone of the study. The family didn't know until recently and is now trying to sue for beacoup bucks.
    You're talking about HeLa cells, which are a line of cervical cancer cells derived from the tumour removed from Henrietta Lacks (during cancer surgery though, not a routine checkup). They've been used extensively in various fields of medical research, especially cancer research, though they're becoming less common now for various reasons.

    I'm actually very against people/families of people profiting from these kinds of things, though in this case consent should have been obtained and wasn't (in this case I think race may have been a factor since black people were treated very poorly in hospitals in the 50s).

    edit: after looking it up, it seems the current law considers "discarded cells" from surgery and whatnot to not require consent for release for research, so legally this shouldn't be a case, I guess? I'm not sure how to feel about that, since imo it would be better to have consent, but at the same time this would set back research quite a bit simply due to paranoid people.

    another example: Moore v. Regents of the University of California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Quote Originally Posted by GemPOPGem View Post
    Maternal and paternal lineage?
    Or a more sceptical reason, sending two tests, one under a different name-to compare results?
    It's just to get both tests done since my direct maternal for as far back as I know goes to Norway, while my direct paternal goes to Japan, making finding out about both being rather interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loxias View Post
    Normally both are included in one kit.
    Yes but you only get to chose one (if you do both it = 2 swabs which =two tests (i think) ), Unless you are a woman in which case you don't get a choice (bloody typical), there is only one you can have-maternal ...but you can have a male family member swabbed to check your paternal line


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    Quote Originally Posted by GemPOPGem View Post
    Yes, this is what i am really interested in, i have been surfing for a while now looking into "the dawn of man" while there is some conflict of origin i think most scientists would agree the start point to be Africa.
    One of the reasons i find this particularly interesting is that it would be a bloody good argument to put to the white supremicists. I was wondering how many people from places like norway and sweeden have participated as there seems to be a concentration in those places.

    No i didn't see them, but would love to, do you know a link or can you point me in the right direction?

    Ah yes i see, i'm not really interested in those tests.
    The DVD that comes with the kit is just called "The Genographic Project" I think. I'm not sure, but it might be the same one called Journey of Man. Either that, or they used footage from Journey of Man in the DVD I have seen. It explains the origins of humans in Africa & the first major migrations and the project as a whole. It doesn't go into every single haplo group branch. It talks about the major turning points like in Central Asia. They find this guy and tell him his direct ancestor is the direct progenitor to every person who is White, Asian, or Native American. The best part is when Spencer Wells lives with the Chukchi. The second special I have seen is the one called The Human Family Tree. It just restates the same ideas. The fact that we all share ancestors is at the heart of it and it certainly does prove that judging people based on skin color or eye color or anything like that is really quite useless.

    As far as extended genealogy goes, that is the main reason one of the people I know who joined the project got into it. Here is a page with people's stories.

    But as I said, it can be anti-climactic in a way. Meh, I was going to attach a scan of my friend's printout, but its over the size limit. The print out is the only personalized thing. Even that is mostly stating text from this page. But it is a scientific project, so you are contributing to that. It might also be neat if you are a female to have a brother take it, or vice-verse, since it traces maternal ancestors (thru mitochondrial dna) if you are a female, paternal (thru y chromosome lineage) if you are a male. Is it weird I know so much about this for someone who hasn't done it? It's just that someone I am close to is really into it. HTH.
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    Mitochondrial DNA is the code for organelles that help with respiration and both sexes have them. The only reason why it's only useful to trace maternal lineage is because they are part of the mother's egg while the father's sperm only donates to nuclear DNA. That is also why the paternal test can only be done on guys, because the Y chromosome is the only easily definable component that can be traced back far enough and only guys get it from daddy. This all explaining why women can only get the one test done on themselves while men can get both done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasilisa View Post
    The DVD that comes with the kit is just called "The Genographic Project" I think. I'm not sure, but it might be the same one called Journey of Man. Either that, or they used footage from Journey of Man in the DVD I have seen. It explains the origins of humans in Africa & the first major migrations and the project as a whole. It doesn't go into every single haplo group branch. It talks about the major turning points like in Central Asia. They find this guy and tell him his direct ancestor is the direct progenitor to every person who is White, Asian, or Native American. The best part is when Spencer Wells lives with the Chukchi. The second special I have seen is the one called The Human Family Tree. It just restates the same ideas. The fact that we all share ancestors is at the heart of it and it certainly does prove that judging people based on skin color or eye color or anything like that is really quite useless.

    As far as extended genealogy goes, that is the main reason one of the people I know who joined the project got into it. Here is a page with people's stories.

    But as I said, it can be anti-climactic in a way. Meh, I was going to attach a scan of my friend's printout, but its over the size limit. The print out is the only personalized thing. Even that is mostly stating text from this page. But it is a scientific project, so you are contributing to that. It might also be neat if you are a female to have a brother take it, or vice-verse, since it traces maternal ancestors (thru mitochondrial dna) if you are a female, paternal (thru y chromosome lineage) if you are a male. Is it weird I know so much about this for someone who hasn't done it? It's just that someone I am close to is really into it. HTH.
    Just had time to check out the links, i have seen most of them but not the actual program/documentary dvd. I may buy it or see if i can find it free to watch online somewhere?
    Yes i understand about it being anticlimatic, it seems vast and mysterious but when you send off your exciting test you are finally rewarded with what boils down to just a map with a line through it.
    But i think i may be able to entertain the excitement a little longer with the help of my imagination and the whole "being part of the bigger picture" enticement. It appeals to me
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    I have had my MTDNA tested and my fathers YDNA tested as well. It has been my hobby the last 2 years.

    I ended up being MtDNA Haplotype T1a* and my fathers YDNA as I2B1 which wasn't what I expected being as I grew up thinking I was French.

    If anyone ever wants help, recommendations on companies to use or understanding results please let me know. You can also check out possible genetic pre-dispositions to disease types if you are one that wants to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexx View Post
    I ended up being MtDNA Haplotype T1a* and my fathers YDNA as I2B1 which wasn't what I expected being as I grew up thinking I was French..
    Both haplogroups are present in France.
    I2b1 is actually moderately common in regions of France where people emigrated to Acadia, Louisiana and Qubec from.
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    Well now yes, they are represented all over. T1a* (which is soon to be split into further groups) is believed to originated in Tuscany and due to drift is VERY prevalent in the Baltic Sea region. Over the years it has spread into North Western Europe and Ireland.

    I2B1 is a Germanic haplotype, represented most in Lower Saxony.

    Coupled with my paper genealogy trail, I can't get out of the US, England, Ireland and Scotland.

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